Elizabeth Davies - Caio

[CaioResearcher]

Hello,

As new to the list, thought I would post my interests.
I am searching for the birth of Elizabeth Davies.  She is my great grandmother from Caio.  She married a Thomas Davies who was born at Waunfelen to a John Davies (Llandewibrefi) and a Margaret Jones (Waunfelen, Ffarmers, Caio). In 1901, they lived at Garth (Gardd) Farm in Caio.  Elizabeth Davies's parentage is unknown.  She has mentioned a John Davies on marriage certificate and on one census (1891).  However, in 1881 she was living at Glanrydd with grandfather Benjamin Davies and Mary Davies (nee Jones).  She was born circa 1873/1874.  There is mention in the family that there is a connection to the Drummonds Family and Johnes Family.  I know about Judge Johnes etc. but not much about the Drummond Family.  I understand that some relatives had to go to this family to seek permission to marry (grandchildren of Elizabeth). Some say Elizabeth was illigitimate and their is a connection to the above families??!  I know a grandson of Elizabeth was educated at Lampeter and paid for by the Johnes family and also some china was given to the family from the estate.  Anyone know anything on this Drummond family?  Any connections to my Elizabeth Davies, welcome response.

[RuthieB]

Welcome to Rootschat CaioResearcher!

Your query caught my eye as  I was travelling between Llandovery and Lampeter yesterday and very nearly took the side road to Caio.

Are the Drummonds Caio people too? And was the grandson educated in the school at Lampeter or the University (St David's College as it would have been at the time)? I might be able to help if it is the University.

I have no Davies connections myself, but it is a very popular name in these parts! Good luck!

RuthieB

[CaioResearcher]

Hello  RuthieB,

I was there end of July, part holiday, great to look up, and so friendly, stopping people on the road who knew my grandfather (son of Elizabeth or one of the many kids - Thomas Davies).

Anyway, the Drummonds are I think from Edwinsford.  They were about, like the Johnes, in the 1800's.  The relative in question was Oswyn.  I believe his full name may be Thomas Oswyn Evans.  His mother was a daughter of Elizabeth, her name also Elizabeth but known as 'Bess'.  She married a Thomas Evans. All from Caio.  Anyway, the family apparently lived at The Lodge wherever that is in Caio, near the Dolaucothi Mines, I think Dolauchothi Lodge.  Bess was a cook at the mansion and their son Oswyn was much favoured by the mansion - benig sent away to public school and Lampeter Uni being paid by them.  He died in the 1940's and was an DFC Air pilot.

[Arranroots]

Hi - I know you posted this ages ago, but I am doing a spot of tidying - did you sort this one, or are you still seeking help?

kind regards Arranroots   

[CaioResearcher]

Arranroots,

Thanks for the reply.  I haven't yet sorted it out completely. I did find Elizabeth's birth certificate after much searching and help from the Registry Office in Carmarthen.  As expected, no father on the birth certificate.  Her mother, Mary Davies was listed as giving birth in 'The School House, Cwrt y Cadno'.  I have since found out where this is and seen it.  She was born 1874 and I found out from relatives that there is some connection with the Drummond family, but I think it is a brother of Sir James Drummond.  Unfortunately, I lost details of the family around that time, you don't know where I could get a copy? do you? It would be the Drummond family on 1871 Census.  They lived at Caio and I believe also from Clovelly, Devon, aswell as residence in London.

Many thanks.............the search continues.

[DaneGarrod]

Message for Helen in Caio :   I am the semi-official researcher for Edwinsford and Drummond family, as assisting the current owner of the mansion since December 2003.  I have the full family tree etc., as well as hundreds of letters, and willing to assist you, as any additional child in the family tree would be knowledge that would help us as well.  In brief, Joe (Sir James) would be 17 in 1874 (born 13 Jan 1857), so just perhaps too young to father the child....but maybe not!  His brothers were younger.  You need to call me at my work desk next week at CABI, Wallingford - 01491 832111.....the switchbord will put you through.  Check out www.cabi.org if you wish, to see we exist and the good work we do!    regards, Dane Garrod, HR Advisor.   

   

[Arranroots]

Welcome to Rootschat Dane! 

How exciting to be able to offer such quality help!

If you ever need help from us, please let us know - please explore our boards while you are here!

kind regards, Arranroots 

[DaneGarrod]

Hello, Administrator, and thank-you !  I'm also researching the linked family of the Cliftons of Lytham  (they owned all the houses, like Clovelly is still family owned).  All three places connected, but the Lancashire list too long to search for Clifton of Lytham.......do you have search engines in the county tables?  I think not....

Footnote : (Mrs Madeline Clifton (1847-1907), after being widowed at Lytham, married Sir James Drummond, whose maternal grandfather owned Clovelly and Edwinsford.)

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[Arranroots]

... the Lancashire list too long to search for Clifton of Lytham.......do you have search engines in the county tables?  I think not....

Hello again

You can search the individual boards by unchecking the ones you don't want to search - see the Search Rootschat icon at the top of each page.  It is a wee bit cumbersome, but should do the job!

Can I also recommend the Surname Interest Table (hotlink at the foot of each page) which does what it says on the tin - you can enter your interests and refine by area, or search to see who else is researching the same names.

Each county also has "Offers" boards where you can state what you can do to help others, and Look-Up Request boards where you can ask for assistance - we might be able to help you?  We have a good track record of reuniting heirlooms with the families of their original owners, for example!

Have fun!

kind regards, Arranroots