John & Ann (Ashton) Williams Death Records

[McFab]

I now have all the certificates and something doesn't add up, see below;
Ann Elizabeth Williams
Date of Death 14th April 1908 - Place Benevolent Asylum, Waratah
Aged 88
Place of Birth  - Waratah NSW
Father - William Ashton
Occupation - Soldier
Mother - Jane Dikes
That's it, very little information and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the family on the headstone
McFab

[Dundee]

...... it doesn't fit in with the rest of the family on the headstone

What do you mean by that?  The others mentioned are her husband John of Hobart, her daughter Ann who left Benjamin BROAD and ran off with Richard WEST, and William BROAD, her grandson.

Her father was a soldier which is why she would have been born in Chatham but it is quite likely that her parents were not from there.

Debra 

[wivenhoe]

Can you please list all the information on the death certificate, 1908.

There will be several headings. Can you account for them all. If there is no information, identify as "blank"...or a "dash"...or "unknown"....

...exactly as you see on the document.

What is the document - a typed transcription? or do you see a lot of handwriting?


"I now have all the certificates "

What documents do you have for BDM events in the lives of the people you are researching, additional to those to be found on the Tasmanian LINC site, and the death certificate for Mary Ann WILLIAMS, died 1908, NSW.

[McFab]

There is very little detail on the certificate but what I do know & I'm fairly sure of, Anne wasn't born in WARATAH NSW, the other puzzling issue I initially struggled with is the Elizabeth middle name.
I'll try to attach the document if that will help.
McFab

[Dundee]

I really think that you should consider this information.

There was a death registered in 1851 for a John WILLIAMS, Cooper aged 35(?).  The death was registered by his uncle James BELBIN. 

https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-3p91j2k

In 1853 an Ann WILLIAMS aged 32, widow, married Thomas FILCH in Hobart.

https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-12p74j2k

The permission to marry has him named as Thomas FITCH, ship Equestrian 2

By 1854 he was serving a 9 month sentence, and by 1856 he was in a relationship with an Elizabeth LANGDON.

In 1881 Anne WILLIAMS alias FITCH was sentenced to twelve months.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9001475

The Police Magistrate and Mr. W. Belbin, J.P., presided at the City Police Court yesterday morning. Two drunkards were fined 6s. each, with the usual alternative. Anne Williams, alias Fitch, pleaded guilty to stealing four pairs of trousers and other articles to the value of £9 10s. from the shop of Messrs. Ready and Mulcahy, Murray-street, and was sentenced to twelve months' imprisonment.


The reports of crime show that on conviction she is Ann WILLIAMS, ship Atwick, free by servitude, native place Scotland, aged 61.  On release she is Anne WILLIAMS, ship Atwick, native place England.

Debra 

[Dundee]

This is what I have:
Mary Ann (Anne) Ashton
Born:   1818 Chatham, Kent
Baptised:    Sept, 1818

Where has that baptism date come from?

John Williams
Born:   1811 Hobart Town
Baptised:  Jan 1812

What information do you have that leads you to believe that he was the son of Thomas WILLIAMS and Frances REARDON?

Ann Elizabeth, their last child was born in 1856, John was a “Cooper” and they lived in Melville Street......John’s name is on the birth record of Ann Elizabeth Oct, 1856, but her mother Ann signed

If I was descended from Ann Elizabeth I would be getting my DNA done to see what turns up.

Debra 

[wivenhoe]

That is a good find Debra....WILLIAMS - FITCH marriage, 1853.

It would seem to be a short-lived arrangement. Any births might be found in baptism records?

There are several young WILLIAMS-ASHTON children at 1853. 

How was Annie WILLIAMS looking after these children?. I do not see them in state care eg Queens Orphanage.

Edward FITCH and Thomas FITCH, parents Thomas FITCH and Elizabeth LANGDON are in the Queens Orphanage.

[McFab]

See attached.
20th October, 1811
Child's Christian Name - John
Parent's Name - Christian
Thomas and Frances
Parent's Surname
Williams - nee Readon (Reardon)
Abode
Hobart Town

[wivenhoe]

At reply #22
"There was a death registered in 1851 for a John WILLIAMS, Cooper aged 35(?).  The death was registered by his uncle James BELBIN. "

TAHO LINC BDM
Marriage   9 Sep 1816 Hobart Town District  (Banns)
BELBIN Sarah  (X)   23y  Free
WILLIAMS Thomas   35y  Free

Witnesses   Thos CLARK      David W BUSH

Marriage   9 Sep 1816 Hobart Town District  (Banns)
BELBIN Catherine (X)  18y   Free
BERROSS Thomas       37y   Free

Witnesses  Thomas WILLIAMS   Thos CLARK