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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 January 23 23:19 GMT (UK) »
I see dozens of trees that take several of my branches one step further back than I have ever got, but not a single one has a citation for any of them.  I just wish I could find the tree that everyone else copied, in the first place.

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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #10 on: Monday 30 January 23 00:14 GMT (UK) »
Sounds like more time can be spent sorting out other people’s wrong trees than doing one’s own research.  :)

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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #11 on: Monday 30 January 23 02:55 GMT (UK) »
Sounds like more time can be spent sorting out other people’s wrong trees than doing one’s own research.  :)
Ruskie,

It's a fact!

I've lost count of the errors I've found but the most annoying thing is, when wrong parents are added yet the info. is on baptisms/births/marriages & often deaths, if they'd only spend the necessary £s on vital records rather than guessing & getting it wrong  ::)

I helped a woman a while back who had my relative in her tree, his siblings, parents, g/parents etc. all copied from my tree but...

The most compelling thing was, when I searched her tree, she had this chaps MC attached which clearly showed his parents names & neither matched the parents in my family tree  ???

I sent her a message to point out her error, explained she had his MC with his correct parents named yet 6 months later the tree was still with the wrong parents!!!

I'll need to check if it's since been changed  :-\

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #12 on: Monday 30 January 23 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Sounds like more time can be spent sorting out other people’s wrong trees than doing one’s own research.  :)

It's not so much sorting out other people's trees, I don't care if they perhaps have wrong information and I'm certainly not going to attempt to correct them. But when researching my own tree and finding assertions of a fact or facts that I haven't personally found, in numerous other trees, it compels me to trawl through them all attempting to find the source of that information. Invariable they are all unsourced and it becomes apparent that they are all copies of each other, but it doesn't explain where the information has come from.

Sometimes it becomes clear when I discover matching information, but realise that it can't apply to the person alleged. Often, it just hangs around with no source to be found, and I spend an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to research something that I know could well be wrong, but which I am compelled to look into, in case I genuinely have missed something ???
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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #13 on: Monday 30 January 23 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Latest Thruline oddity.

Wife has an xGreat Aunt in her tree and she had three children each of them leads to a DNA match and the links to each match has been proven by citations etc.

The latest Thrulines goes from the xGreat Aunt via a different child to my Wife’s new DNA match.

Problem was the xGreat Aunt was born, lived and died in England.

The Thrulines hint lady had the same name, was born about the same time but lived and died all her life in the USA.

I am sure Ancestry is dumbing down its systems

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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 01 February 23 03:13 GMT (UK) »
I am sure Ancestry is dumbing down its systems
I couldn't agree more & probably in an effort to get more people to buy a sub. while causing unnecessary confusion along the way.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #15 on: Friday 03 February 23 07:09 GMT (UK) »
Rosinish's point on certificates is valid.

While looking at my wife's DNA connections I noticed discrepancies in the cMs for certain descendants of her great grandmother's family. Until then I had believed the records that I had seen (1891 census and 1906 marriage certificate) showing her to be the daughter of Frederick Frampton, as had all the trees online, born in 1887 7 years after the last child. It was only the purchase of the birth certificate showing her to be the daughter of her 20 year old unmarried "sister" which revealed the truth. Her mother marrried within a year and had another 12 children

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Re: Very odd Common Ancestor / Thrulines match
« Reply #16 on: Friday 03 February 23 08:11 GMT (UK) »
I agree to a point. Every tree I have seen on Ancestry containing a particular branch of my family is completely wrong. Obtaining the marriage certificate for the father and a handful of birth certificates for his children would have made the mistakes glaringly obvious, as they contain the father's middle name, which is not present in any census or baptism records and resulted in a different man with the same first and last names taking his place in those trees and his ancestral line being totally incorrect as a result.

On the other hand, I have a half-cousin who only found in later life that the woman who he believed to be his elder sister was his mother, and his parents (as he had believed) were his grandparents. But his birth certificate showed his grandparents to be his parents, as his grandmother had also been the informant and had registered him as her son to protect the daughter, unmarried and under age at the time.

So certificates are not always factually correct either. I have several where the mother has invented a fictitious father, and one where both the named parents returned to the registration office with a statutory declaration four months after the initial birth registration, as a result of which the father was removed from the certificate completely, and the mother's surname and former name were amended, both differing from the names she had originally given.

It is really a matter of not taking anything for granted, and always seeking corroboration wherever possible. In the latter case above, it was a census record that actually revealed the discrepancy which led me to the birth certificates, and an army record for the woman's husband plus electoral registers that suggest the man removed from the original certificate (a lodger in her home whilst her husband was serving overseas) was almost certainly the father of the child despite the subsequent declaration.
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