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Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« on: Saturday 14 January 23 19:13 GMT (UK) »
I'm Trying to do some research of on my 2nd Great-Grandfather Sergeant John Byrne (13996) 4th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, I've Found it very hard to research him as he didn't live very long and I can't seem to find a service record on him anywhere I know he was a Clerk and stationed In Tipperary for awhile but he was originally from Dublin his Parents I believe were Michael Byrne and Alice Kennedy But I'm still not certain about that. He Married Bridget Nolan in 1906 in Tipperary and Had four children Elizabeth, Mary Alice (My Great-Grandmother),Aileen and John Byrne, John Died at the age of 33 of Heart Failure at Home in Dublin. I have the War memorial page but I'm really trying to find his Military Service Record as I'm assuming he had one


If anyone can help It would be apprieciated

Thank you
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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 January 23 20:44 GMT (UK) »

....but I'm really trying to find his Military Service Record as I'm assuming he had one


Over 60% of WW1 service records were burnt during the WW2 blitz.  Those that survived are on Ancestry or FindMyPast or other subscription sites.


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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 January 23 10:23 GMT (UK) »
I have very few records about him in the RDF but I also have one photo of him and his regiment but I do also have another member of my family who was apart of the Merchant seaman if I’m correct but all I can find for him is his medal card so I’m assuming what you’re saying must be true sadly

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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 January 23 11:35 GMT (UK) »
I couldn't see his Medal Card for that number ?

Presume he was Injured and Discharged on Disability 1915 and Silver War Badge
But that number not recognised.
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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 January 23 12:06 GMT (UK) »

....but I'm really trying to find his Military Service Record as I'm assuming he had one


Over 60% of WW1 service records were burnt during the WW2 blitz.  Those that survived are on Ancestry or FindMyPast or other subscription sites.


The Quote is Not full
The Storeroom at Arnside Street Blitzed 7/8 September 1940
Held Only WW1 Soldiers that Died in WW1
Or having served but were Demobbed up to 7 August 1920
Or attempted to Serve and Refused entry as Unfit
If John had stayed on the Army after August 1920 like my Granddad served from 1908 to after August 1920
When those Soldiers who had served in WW1 but stayed on till they left.
Their Military Records were sent to a New Storeroom of Army Records in Hayes that where the Storeroom was never Blitzed nor scanned by Ancestry or Findmypast.
Those in that New Storeroom were sent to Present Glasgow where they are currently held awaiting transfer over the coming years to The National Archives Kew But you have to Pay and there is a 2 year backlog

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/the-1940-fire-at-arnside-street/

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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 January 23 13:27 GMT (UK) »
I couldn't see his Medal Card for that number ?

Presume he was Injured and Discharged on Disability 1915 and Silver War Badge
But that number not recognised.
I don’t know if he ever had medals as I was told that the 4th battalion were only for reserves and I have no idea when he joined the RDF but he died in 1915 of heart failure at home in Dublin

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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 January 23 13:33 GMT (UK) »
Thought so
If he never went Overseas which seems unlikely.
Then there wouldn't be a Medal Index Card
And he would never have been sent any Medals for WW1
And his Records likely Destroyed in the September 1940 Blitz
Sorry
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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 January 23 14:14 GMT (UK) »
Haven't seen a Soldiers Effects Entry of Unclaimed Army Pay Arrrearslike this before.
His Widow Bridget received the War Gratuity due based on his Length of Service
But his £14 Pay arrears has disappeared not paid ?
This shows he was an Active Serving Soldier at the time of his Death on 7 June 1915
He should therefore have a CWGC Military Headstone on his Grave Plot in Dublin

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Re: Sergeant John Byrne 1881-1915 Royal Dublin Fusiliers
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