Author Topic: Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith  (Read 5457 times)

Offline TreeSpirit

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,298
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith
« Reply #9 on: Friday 13 January 23 03:01 GMT (UK) »
Josephine's death certificate has birth Year as 25.08.1889 whereas her age on the marriage certificate is 21, that would mean this Josephine was born in 1886 (different birth Year).

YOB=1885/6 or YOB=1891/2 ... Yes, I had seen the difference, but nothing that I haven't seen before ..
Nevertheless I wondered whether she'd shaved a "few" years  off her age when she married Phil as he is younger. And, abt 6 years older than her husband does not sound as bad as abt 12 years older. :-)


(Ex??) husband Ernest seems to have had some botox as well when he marries the much younger Lucy in 1918: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X4QV-1C?i=2853

Offline TreeSpirit

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,298
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith
« Reply #10 on: Friday 13 January 23 03:14 GMT (UK) »
I also noticed that the Josephine on the marriage certificate to Harold Leonard Preenery was spelt slightly different, Jospehine ANDRIANA Smith as opposed to ANDRINA.

I can only assume that most people were more used to the name Adriana, so it might be a little typo. (it is still better than the any of the grooms names  :) ).

Offline Ladyhawk

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 11,270
    • View Profile
Re: Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith
« Reply #11 on: Friday 13 January 23 09:31 GMT (UK) »
(Ex??) husband Ernest seems to have had some botox as well when he marries the much younger Lucy in 1918: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X4QV-1C?i=2853

On this record his age written as 40
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NJJ-X18M

It’s a shame no father’s name given on the marriage records

WarrenSA

Do you know when Ernest arrived in SA?
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline WarrenSA

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 6
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith
« Reply #12 on: Friday 13 January 23 10:55 GMT (UK) »
Ernest Luscombe Penery would have arrived in South Africa in 1900/01 where he served in the Royal Army Medical Corps in the Cape Colony during the Anglo Boer War. I have hi Queens South Africa Medal with date clasps 1901 - 1902.
He seemed to move from the Cape to the Transvaal (children born there) and then Durban (children born there). Children also born in Pietermaritzburg in 1922.

I did find a listing in 1922 in now Mozambique for a British birth for a Ernest Luscombe Penery, i think this should have been "death" and not "birth". After this he disappears from record.



Offline TreeSpirit

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,298
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith
« Reply #13 on: Friday 13 January 23 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Ernest Luscombe Penery would have arrived in South Africa in 1900/01 where he served in the Royal Army Medical Corps in the Cape Colony during the Anglo Boer War. I have hi Queens South Africa Medal with date clasps 1901 - 1902.

On 31 March 1901 Ernest was still in the UK (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9XS-KWV). Presently I can’t find his name among the soldiers who served in the Boer War, so I'm not sure what is going on there.

It seems that he received the Victory and British medal for service during WW1: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4589924

Offline Ladyhawk

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 11,270
    • View Profile
Re: Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith
« Reply #14 on: Friday 13 January 23 16:03 GMT (UK) »

I did find a listing in 1922 in now Mozambique for a British birth for a Ernest Luscombe Penery, i think this should have been "death" and not "birth". After this he disappears from record.

Ernest L Penery
Birth year 1916-20
Place Lourenco Marques, Mozambique
Source Gro Consular Birth Indices (1849 To 1965)
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms

Is it possible that there are two ELP  :-\

The other 1918 marriage detail posted by Treespirit to Lucy birth for a son born 1920
father's occupation railway clerk, one of the sponsors has the same surname as his wife.

1920 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6FW3-75HJ

and another born
 
1922 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XNV-PVK9
his death
1922 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NXS-JW5Y, father E L Penery

Did she and her son both die in UK?
1998 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZX-Q5XZ
2007 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CB2Q-RZMM

WarrenSA - sorry not found a birth for your Gt Grandmother Josephine Andrina Smith  ???
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk