Josephine Andrina Van Heerden (Previously Penery) nee Smith

[WarrenSA]

My great grandmother Josephine Andrina Penery was born 1889 in South Africa. She was married to my great grandfather Ernest Luscombe Penery (born Plymouth England in 1884) and later remarried Philip Van Heerden in 1940, Johannesburg, Transvaal.

I have recently found a document reflecting that Josephine was murdered on 5 November 1958 in Kennilworth, Johannesburg. This document reflects her maiden name as SMITH.

I have not been able to trace any marriage document / record for the marriage between Josephine and my great grandfather Ernest nor any birth records for her. I would be most happy if anyone could possibly advise me of who Josephine Andrina Smiths parents / siblings were.

[TreeSpirit]

gggf's first names might be different, but don't you think that this has to be their marriage?:

South Africa, Transvaal, Civil Marriages, 1870-1930
Name: Harold Leonard Preenerf or Preeney
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jul 1907
Event Place (Original): Germiston, Witwatersrand, Transvaal, South Africa
Sex: Male
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1884
Spouse's Name: Josephine Andriana Smith
Spouse's Sex: Female
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1886
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image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91J-13WN


Update:
3 weeks later a son in the same location ....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9T7B-968?i=117

[TreeSpirit]

It sounds as if you've got her marriage to Phil v Heerden already, but it might be useful to someone else:

South Africa, Civil Marriage Records, 1840-1973
Name: Philip Vanheerden
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jul 1940
Event Place (Original): Johannesburg, Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa
District: Johannesburg
Sex: Male
Age: 42
Birth Year (Estimated): 1898
Spouse's Name: Josephine Penery
Spouse's Sex: Female
Spouse's Age: 48
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1892
Certificate Number: 1266
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Image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS29-J3T5-D

[Neale1961]

Josephine’s death certificate confirms cause of death and her maiden name. It also gives the inquest number.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:DTG7-57PZ

[WarrenSA]

Hi Everyone,

The similarity on the marriage certificate for Josephine Andrina Smith to Harold Leonard Preenerf or Preeney in 1907 are really strange.
My great grandfather was definitely Ernest Luscombe Penery, also born on Plymouth Devonshire England in 1884. This would be the same date that Harold Leonard Preenerf or Preeney was born (23 Years old on the marriage certificate in 1907).
Josephine's death certificate has birth Year as 25.08.1889 whereas her age on the marriage certificate is 21, that would mean this Josephine was born in 1886 (different birth Year).
Her marriage to Philip Van Heerden lists her age as 48 in 1940 (birth Year would be 1892).

Is it possible my great grandfather gave a different name when he married, he did give the correct name when my grandfather was born in 1906/7.

[Ladyhawk]

gggf's first names might be different, but don't you think that this has to be their marriage?:

South Africa, Transvaal, Civil Marriages, 1870-1930
Name: Harold Leonard Preenerf or Preeney
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jul 1907
Event Place (Original): Germiston, Witwatersrand, Transvaal, South Africa
Sex: Male
Age: 23
Birth Year (Estimated): 1884
Spouse's Name: Josephine Andriana Smith
Spouse's Sex: Female
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1886
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image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91J-13WN


Update:
3 weeks later a son in the same location ....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9T7B-968?i=117

They also had a daughter born on Jan 25th, 1915 to Ernest Luscombe Penery , occupation hospital orderly & Josephine bpt 30th May St John the Divine Belgravia Johannesburg

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GT7T-9TX3?i=45&cc=1468076

[Ladyhawk]

my great grandfather Ernest Luscombe Penery (born Plymouth England in 1884)

Is this your Gt Grandfather?

son of Charles, Joiner & Elizabeth born July 11th, 1884 Bapt Sept 11th
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QGHR-W?i=230&cc=1804330&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKCS8-NFL

PENERY, ERNEST  LUSCOMBE   mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1884  S Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 287   
   
Ernest Luscombe PENERY, occupation Clerk
Attestation service number 3674
Attestation corps 3rd Bn Devon Regt
Document type Attestation
Birth parish St Peters
Birth town Plymouth
Birth county Devon
Year 1900
Attestation date 06 Oct 1900
Attestation age years 17 months 9
Father C W Penery,
Mother E J Penery,
older brother W Penery,
younger brother H H Penery
Record set British Army Service Records

1901 census
Ernest Luscombe Penery age 18, single, Private in Royal Army Medical Corps at
Maida & Pandora Barracks Harrow Rd, Aldershort, Hampshire, England

forgot to add hello and a warm welcome to Rootschat 

[WarrenSA]

I also noticed that the Josephine on the marriage certificate to Harold Leonard Preenery was spelt slightly different, Jospehine ANDRIANA Smith as opposed to ANDRINA.

[WarrenSA]

Yes Ernest Luscombe Penery is my great grandfather.