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McNICOL family of Waitati.
« on: Thursday 05 January 23 03:17 GMT (UK) »
To everyone, Happy New Year!!

I have a problem with the McNicol family, not related, who have somehow become intermingled with my Nicol ancestors in the Blueskin [now Waitati] cemetery. The Dunedin cemeteries office is not able to provide any information.

Surname   McNICOL
Forename   ELIZABETH
Age   79 Years
Gender   Female
Date of Death   24 Jun 1899
Last Address   WAITATI, DUNEDIN

Cemetery   WAITATI CEMETERY

Location   Block 8. Plot 25
Date of Burial   28 Jun 1899
Type   Burial
Occupation   WIDOW

"The following burials are also in this Plot"
DAVIS MARY** 28 Years, Burial, Died 4 Jun 1877

**Mary nee NICOL was my ancestor. Also buried in this cemetery is her baby daughter, Catherine Davis who died on 4.6.1877.

[There is a photograph of the headstone for Mary Davis and daughter Catherine.]

Then we have:

Surname   MCNICOL
Forename   MALCOLM
Age   50 Years
Gender   Male
Date of Death   20 Jun 1877
Last Address   BLUESKIN, DUNEDIN

Cemetery   WAITATI CEMETERY

Location   Block 8. Plot 31
Date of Burial   23 Jun 1877
Type   Burial
Occupation   FARMER

"The following burials are also in this Plot
There were none found"


James Nicol and his wife Euphemia are buried in this cemetery. [Parents of Mary Davis].

Can anyone tell me anything about the two McNicol's mentioned above please?

Minniehaha.






HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 January 23 03:56 GMT (UK) »
Happy New Year,

Well, they are elusive aren’t they,
All I can see so far is

Electoral roll 1876 has him at Blueskin  - North Harbour
Spelled McNICHOL


Ancestry is giving a hint to this marriage, but goodness knows why!

MCNICHOL
MALCOLM
ELISABETH RODGER/
25/06/1849
502
20 / 119
ROSENEATH OR ROSNEATH

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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 January 23 04:24 GMT (UK) »
Happy New Year back to you.

1866 Otago Nominal Roll - Blueskin/Port Chalmers
1867 Otago Nominal Roll - Blueskin/North Harbor
1869 Otago Nominal Roll - Blueskin/North Harbor

Spelling as Malcolm McNicoll

Public Works Dept Service Registers (Archives) - spelling Malcolm McNicol.

Wonder what the Hocken Library hold?

Cheers
KHP
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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 January 23 04:31 GMT (UK) »

Electoral roll 1876 has him at Blueskin  - North Harbour
Spelled McNICHOL


I am also seeing the spelling as McNicholl in the other Otago Nominal Rolls.

Cheers
KHP
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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 March 23 09:34 GMT (UK) »
searching for M'Nicol often used in Otago newspapers gives this In Memoriam
 M'NICOL.— In memory of Elizabeth M'Nicol, who died at Waitati on the 24th June, 1899. — Inserted by her daughter and son, Elizabeth and Malcolm.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19000621.2.148?end_date=31-12-1950&items_per_page=100&query=m%27nicol+waitati&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=01-01-1900

Thus Children had same names as parents

Otago Daily Times 3 January 1872 Page 2
NEW YEAR'S DAY.
Blueskin
.     " Our correspondent writes:  Our annual sports came off here on the 1st inst. in a paddock adjoining the Waitati Hotel,
Twin Race ; 5 entries ; once round the course. Ist, Pryde and Downes, 5s; 2nd, Jackson and M'Nicol, 2s 6d.

Mrs M'Nicol was a cheesemaker
 Otago Witness 4 January 1873 Page 2
and
 Otago Daily Times 19 January 1876 Page 7
and
 Evening Star 14 January 1888 Page 4
Cheese and Oaten cakes
 Evening Star 12 January 1889 Page 2
best cheese
 Otago Daily Times 11 January 1890 Page 6 (Supplement)

3 M'NICOLs are listed in the Jubilee Notes
 Otago Witness 31 March 1898 Page 11

Death Notice  Otago Daily Times 26 June 1899 Page 4
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18990626.2.16.3?end_date=31-12-1950&items_per_page=100&query=m%27nicol+waitati&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=01-01-1860
 M'NICOL.—On the 24th June, I899, at Waitati, Elizabeth M'Nicol, relict of the late Malcolm M'Nicol; aged 79.
FUNERAL NOTICE. The Funeral of the late Mrs M'NICOL -will leave the Residence oi Mr John Weatherston, Waitati, TO-MORROW (TUESDAY), the 27th inst., at 1 o'clock p.m., for the place of interment at the Waitati Cemetery.  JOHN GILLIES, Undertaker, 18 George street and 11 Great King street.

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Are these descendants ?
Otago Daily Times 13 October 1937 Page 1
MISSING FRIENDS M’NICOL.— Malcolm Stuart M’Nicol, Allister Lindsay M’Nicol, Dallas , Peter M’Nicol, and Donald Kenneth I M’Nicol (brothers).—Advantage, write Mr Telfer, 16 Pirie street,
Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 March 23 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Malcolm McNICOL [junior] listed at OBHS in Centenial Register
1870-73 N Z Survey Dept for 12 years then private practice.   Kaikoura.   died 1905

Otago Witness 31 March 1898 Page 11
EDUCATION BOARD.
The half yearly meeting of the Education Board.......
Report of the examiners of candidates for Provincial Scholarships.
The examination for the Scholarships took place at the High School, [OBHS] Dunedin, on tho 22nd, 23rd, and 24th December, 1869, thirty-two competitors presenting themselves. The results of the examination were as follow : — High School — Greatest possible number of marks, 2400......
Malcolm M'Nicol, 12 1/2 years of age, Blueskin School, 1044

see also
 Otago Daily Times 19 December 1870 Page 2

A case of mistaken identity

 Evening Star 6 June 1873 Page 2
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD18730606.2.10?end_date=31-12-1950&items_per_page=100&query=m%27nicol+malcolm&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=01-01-1848&title=AHCOG%2cBH%2cCL%2cCROMARG%2cDUNST%2cESD%2cLCM%2cLCP%2cLWM%2cMIC%2cMTBM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cTT
and
 Otago Daily Times 7 June 1873 Page 2

First Job
 Lake Wakatip Mail 24 December 1873 Page 2 (Supplement)

Probably not your Malcolm  Mount Ida Chronicle 17 September 1875 Page 2
and  Mount Ida Chronicle 21 December 1876 Page 3

Malcolm went to the Government Survey Dept in Christchurch
 Otago Daily Times 12 February 1885 Page 5 (Supplement)


winding up Estate of Malcolm (junior)
  Otago Daily Times 18 December 1905 Page 8
THIS DAY, MONDAY. 18th DECEMBER, At 2 o'clock. At Rooms, Manse street. Instructed by F. 11. Morice, Esq.. District Agent Public Trustee, in the Estate of Malcolm M'Nicol, deceased, and other THEODOLITE. LEVEL, COMPASS. 2 SUPERIOR WHOLE-PLATE CAMERAS (Ross). LANCASTER'S SPECIAL CAMERA. lAEK, REYNOLDS, & CO, are instructed to sell by auction, as above. On view this morning.
 
There should be more in Canterbury Papers Past

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Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 March 23 03:17 GMT (UK) »
You have been very busy Signal, thank you!!

As so much time has now passed, we probably cannot determine why the McNicols and Nicols were confused in the cemetery records.

Kind regards,

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 March 23 04:19 GMT (UK) »
Not the first case of confusing sons- M'Nicol with fathers- Nicol.   O course Scots also liked to use the same given names for sons.   I'm sure it is not just my Scots who used eldest son always Robert second son William - - - the cousins get very confusing and confused I have to add year and place of birth and that is not always enough.

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Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
Brewer Tothill;   NZ, Gloucester London
Klee;   Canterbury, London, Hanover
Cutler;   Fordingbridge Hampshire
Hill ;  Taranaki
Gordon Dunn;   Otaki Wellington
Anderson;   Canterbury Tyrone

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Re: McNICOL family of Waitati.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 March 23 04:32 GMT (UK) »
In this case, the McNicol & Nicol families were not in any way related, making the burial situation confusing.

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.