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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 05:15 GMT (UK) »
I  can  answer  my  own question,  i  think, A   Michael  Fennelly,  Palmers  hill, Ballacolla, [do not know the connection]  married  Mary  Leonard,  Aghaboe,  on  25/1/1836.

The original register clearly shows Murt Fennelly marying Mary Leonard.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi thanks for the reply. I’d realised that Murt and ‘Michael’ were one and the same . Finding a transcript is obviously easier than scrolling through records when you’re not sure of dates etc , I could see looking at the original how this had been transcribed though but then that sets you off down a rabbit hole . Thanks for looking . The info just linked our families to the same man but with the respective wives .

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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 14:33 GMT (UK) »
Finding a transcript is obviously easier than scrolling through records when you’re not sure of dates etc
Transcripts can help finding clues to records but you still need to look at the actual record whenever possible to avoid making stupid mistakes.
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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 14:54 GMT (UK) »
 ;D would hate to cone across as stupid , thank goodness I did think to go and check the records . But all adds to the fun of searching for the information . Great that there are groups like this where you can ask and where people are willing to help others with not as much experience x


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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 16:13 GMT (UK) »
Finding a transcript is obviously easier than scrolling through records when you’re not sure of dates etc ,

That is not how you do it. It is not a question of scrolling thru the records, versus just looking at the convenient transcript. The convenient transcript should not only give you the names, but also the date. The date then allows you to go straight to the specific original record without any need to scroll thru hundreds or thousands of entries. This double check is necessary as a high percentage of transcriptions have some error. Remember, you are much more interested in *your* ancestors than some bored unrelated transcriber in Dubuque or Delhi.

[Basically the same point Aghadowey made, but thought I would expand on it]
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 20:31 GMT (UK) »
What attracted me to this thread was OP's original assertion that Murtha and Martin are interchangeable. I have never hear of that, and am unaware of any documentation. I looked at the original register images to check if there was any sign of the names being interchanged. I didn't see any. As I descend from a Murtha, and have several more in my family tree, this is of some interest to me.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 21:00 GMT (UK) »
What attracted me to this thread was OP's original assertion that Murtha and Martin are interchangeable. I have never hear of that, and am unaware of any documentation. I looked at the original register images to check if there was any sign of the names being interchanged. I didn't see any. As I descend from a Murtha, and have several more in my family tree, this is of some interest to me.

Perhaps it is a family 'thing' to use them interchangeably.

My large Irish family had a custom of tightly defining 'relations' and 'connections' although treating them all as family.  (very useful though) Here in NZ some of the ones that would have been 'connections' back in Ireland & in earlier times in NZ referred to themselves as the 'outlaws'  ;D.  Then it gets complicated when connections married relations......

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Re: Did Murtha marry twice?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 21:25 GMT (UK) »

My large Irish family had a custom of tightly defining 'relations' and 'connections' although treating them all as family.  (very useful though) .

In my family, connections was used to imply some distance.  I can say that they seem to fall into two different groups:
- Descendants/relatives of direct ancestors, where the exact details of the descent had been lost. For example, while growing up I was told that one of my Roche lines had a connection to Cosgraves. Similarly, my Hayes line had a White connection. Both turned out to be direct ancestors in those lines.
- But more generally, it was used for connections by marriage and distant cousins.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area