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Does anyone know the name of this place?
« on: Monday 19 December 22 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone,

Just a quick one, does anyone know the name of this place? It is the 1861 census of some family members from Kent and Surrey way. Looks like maybe Rallens Lane but just not sure. I have heard of the other places my relatives have lived but this place I am not sure on so any info (if you have it) would be great.

Have a great Christmas.

Sam :)

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Re: Does anyone know the name of this place?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 December 22 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Pattens Lane perhaps
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Does anyone know the name of this place?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 December 22 16:59 GMT (UK) »
There is a Pattens Lane in Rochester, Kent

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Re: Does anyone know the name of this place?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 December 22 17:11 GMT (UK) »
There is a Pattens Lane in Rochester, Kent

John

Thank you, that could definitely be it. :)


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Re: Does anyone know the name of this place?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 December 22 17:27 GMT (UK) »
There's a photo of Pattens Lane

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rzx/

It was taken in 1928.  Apart from the house I doubt it had changed much from 1861.  The area is very built up now.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Does anyone know the name of this place?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 December 22 17:36 GMT (UK) »
The full census page is here: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbc%2f1861%2f0477%2f00846a

By the 1871 census Pattens Lane only features one schedule and nobody from the travelling community.

Whilst you're deliberating this find "sam", if you open the 'extras' on the bottom R of the screen on FindMyPast = Transcripts. you might like to check/correct the efforts of the transcriber who records the address is Battens Lane, and many of the family have occupations of cutler. Should the latter be cutter?
Easy enough to submit a correction, but it takes time to be re-recorded by FindMyPast support team.

By the way, I always like to use Googlemaps - streetview&satellite imaging.
Here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Pattens+Ln,+Rochester/@51.375104,0.5094801,588m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8cce03f79a3d1:0x63edae6c3769c8f3!8m2!3d51.3685314!4d0.5148276
If you take a look centre of view it shows Pattens Gardens coming up from the south - still named Pattens Lane. However, you might notice the top end just beyond the junction (R) of Boundary Road it states 'Old Pattens Lane'. Perhaps the whole of Pattens Gardens were once the 'Old' section?

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Re: Does anyone know the name of this place?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 December 22 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Cutler (& grinder) was a common gypsy/traveller occupation.
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, DAGWELL, PARKER, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING, BULL
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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Re: Does anyone know the name of this place?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 19 December 22 17:49 GMT (UK) »
The full census page is here: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=gbc%2f1861%2f0477%2f00846a

By the 1871 census Pattens Lane only features one schedule and nobody from the travelling community.

Whilst you're deliberating this find "sam", if you open the 'extras' on the bottom R of the screen on FindMyPast = Transcripts. you might like to check/correct the efforts of the transcriber who records the address is Battens Lane, and many of the family have occupations of cutler. Should the latter be cutter?
Easy enough to submit a correction, but it takes time to be re-recorded by FindMyPast support team.

By the way, I always like to use Googlemaps - streetview&satellite imaging.
Here:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Pattens+Ln,+Rochester/@51.375104,0.5094801,588m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8cce03f79a3d1:0x63edae6c3769c8f3!8m2!3d51.3685314!4d0.5148276
If you take a look centre of view it shows Pattens Gardens coming up from the south - still named Pattens Lane. However, you might notice the top end just beyond the junction (R) of Boundary Road it states 'Old Pattens Lane'. Perhaps the whole of Pattens Gardens were once the 'Old' section?

This is brilliant info, thank you so much. :)

Thanks everyone else too :)