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Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« on: Monday 19 December 22 02:10 GMT (UK) »
I have come across a reference in The House of Commons Parliamentary Papers for 1814, for a 'Lewis Bertolle….. late of Mount street, Bethnal Green'.
This is on a site called ‘Trading Consequences’, where there is a transcription of some of the Parliamentary Pages, but they are not complete transcriptions of each entry, and on the whole just give names and sometimes addresses of the people mentioned. It looks as if there will be more information in the actual documents.

The link on the 'Trading Consequences' page takes you to a sign-in page for ‘Proquest’, which would seem to only be accessible for institutions such as universities and research libraries.
http://gateway.proquest.com/openurl?url_ver=Z39.88-2004&res_dat=xri:hcpp&rft_dat=xri:hcpp:fulltext:1814-004264
(‘Trading Consequences’ being a collaboration between two Canadian universities, and two UK universities).

Does anybody have any ideas as to how I can see the actual document? Or have access to Proquest?

Thanks very much
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 December 22 04:10 GMT (UK) »

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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 December 22 05:07 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried

https://hansard.parliament.uk/

If you know details of why he was mentioned, you might be able to find some details.
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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 December 22 08:59 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried

https://hansard.parliament.uk/

If you know details of why he was mentioned, you might be able to find some details.

He's in a very, very long list of 'insolvent debtors'.
Thanks for the Hansard site.
I had a look through, but it's more to do with submitting and talking about various Bills as far as I can see.
I don't think this very long list of debtors would have been read out in the actual chamber.
Interesting site though if you were studying historical government though.

I'll check at my local library here on the other side of the world next time I go whether they can access this site. I don't hold out much hope that that librarians there will know much about it.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 December 22 02:56 GMT (UK) »

 If this is about debt and insolvency, then the paper of record is The Gazette (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/)

e.g.  https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/17876/page/2009
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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 December 22 03:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for looking degenerate.
I have seen this before. It is for Lewis Bertolle, and is dated 1822, some 8 years or so after the entry in the Parliamentary papers for Francis Bertolle.
I think they may have been father and son, and the father, Francis, is using one of his 3 first names at this time instead of the one he usually used. The father died in 1819.
I have looked in The Gazette for Francis Bertolle around the 1813 - 1818 mark to see indeed if he is mentioned in it as a debtor, but not had any luck in finding anything.
Hey ho! :)
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 December 22 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Had you already seen the apprenticeship entry?
https://www.londonroll.org/event/?company=drp&event_id=DREB3045

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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 December 22 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi, you mention you're on "the other side of the world".  If that's Australia, you can join the National Library of Australia for free and access online the House of Commons Parliamentary Papers along with a whole lot of other stuff of course.

Anyway, had a look, for Francis Bertolle and attached are snips from the page.

This is the listed citation:
Parliament:  1814-15
Paper Series:  House of Commons Papers
Paper Number:  107
Volume Page:  XI.417
Volume:  11
Collection:  19th Century House of Commons Sessional Papers

Christine.
AUSTRALIA: Farrelly, Boland, Harte
IRELAND:  Boland (Tipp), Dempsey (Cavan), Farrelly (Meath), Guerin & Harte (Clare), McGivern & McKenna (Monaghan), Traynor
SCOTLAND:  Dempsey (Edin), Welsh (Forfar,Arbroath,Kirriemuir,Kincardine), Milne (Forfar,Dundee), Barron, Bisset (Montrose)

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Re: Accessing House of Commons Parliamentary Papers
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 December 22 00:33 GMT (UK) »
Had you already seen the apprenticeship entry?
https://www.londonroll.org/event/?company=drp&event_id=DREB3045

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Yes thanks SL. But thanks for looking and posting it.  :)
It was quite a find when these records came on-line.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs