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Offline AmisUK

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Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« on: Saturday 17 December 22 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I've been researching my family history for decades and have two specific areas of interest that i'd like to check with a DNA test.

A leading researcher into a particular french noble family has agreed that I'm a decendant of French Huguenots and I was wondering if a DNA test would be any good for extra confirmation?

Through three branches of the family tree I'm also linked to some well known Vikings from Denmark, Norway and Sweden, would a DNA test help confirm a Scandinavian heritage.
A recent DNA research article has made me consider taking this further as it suggest all people who have blue eyes are genetically related to a specific Danish family.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Regards
Paul
London Area (Bethnal Green, Shadwell, Shoreditch, Whitechapel): Ames, Brown, Ellis.
Lowestoft Area: Ames, Colby, Knights, Lincoln, Mantripp, Martin, Tripp, Turner.
Durham Area: Barkess, Mushens.

Belgium (Oost Vlaanderen): Baluwé, Bombeke, Boon, De Bock, De Potter, Dua, Latour, Noppe, Thys, Vanden Berghe, Van Hoey, Seghers, Vercheyen, Vergauwen, Wuytack

France: De Cambrai, De Flandres, De Hennin, De Haynin, Denain, d'Ostrevant, De Ribemont, De Roucy, De Valenciennes

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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 December 22 17:30 GMT (UK) »
My Wife has red hair and blue eyes yet only shows 3% Sweden & Denmark.

I have neither hair nor blue eyes yet have 5% Norwegian ethnicity.

Ancestry has by far the largest DNA database by almost a factor of 2x and their ethnicity results have changed dramatically over the last five years.

We have both also taken a My Heritage DNA test am I am 34% Scandinavian, my Wife’s sample has been on walkabout since July and My Heritage are very poor in their customer support.

Ethnicity Estimates are just that an estimate and the results vary dependent upon which Company in used.

Despite the 34% results for me I have zero ancestors from those regions in the last 250 years.  I have no missing branches in my tree.

I suggest that a DNA test is used for finding relations rather than ones ethnicity.

My own French Ancestry is +600 years ago

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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 December 22 19:58 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for letting me know your thoughts on the DNA tests, as mentioned the blue eye genetic condition can remain dormant and skip a generation or so, but it is still there according to the research I've read.

So your Scandinavian heritage could still be correct.

I have done the 'paper trail' research, it was just the thought that DNA would add that extra bit and possibly after what you've mentioned the only use would be to resolve the issue of my surname which dissapears before 1736 with the odd mention in the 1400's (There is a DNA project with the supposed related surname).
London Area (Bethnal Green, Shadwell, Shoreditch, Whitechapel): Ames, Brown, Ellis.
Lowestoft Area: Ames, Colby, Knights, Lincoln, Mantripp, Martin, Tripp, Turner.
Durham Area: Barkess, Mushens.

Belgium (Oost Vlaanderen): Baluwé, Bombeke, Boon, De Bock, De Potter, Dua, Latour, Noppe, Thys, Vanden Berghe, Van Hoey, Seghers, Vercheyen, Vergauwen, Wuytack

France: De Cambrai, De Flandres, De Hennin, De Haynin, Denain, d'Ostrevant, De Ribemont, De Roucy, De Valenciennes

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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 December 22 20:07 GMT (UK) »
All DNA groups will be able test your DNA.They will give you the nearest matches [including Viking]. I am on a project group thru FTDNA - William Cecil 'Lord' Burghley. Our Viking line goes back to about 250bc.
Advice - Get tested
[Warning - doen't do it if you are afraid of what you might find!]
Hook up with a project - usually your male line.

It will certainly open up a new stream of enquiries/brickwalls/ new cousins.

Good luck.

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Jack Gee
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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 December 22 21:57 GMT (UK) »
The one thing about DNA is that this time of year is complete madness with kits being bought by the millions.

Wait a while until there is a massive price reduction in the Ancestry test and then buy one, but if you can get as many family tested as you can and by family I mean older generations if possible, cousins on both maternal and paternal sides.

Meanwhile work on your tree to make it as wide as possible going back at least to 1941 and ideally a couple of generations further back.

Also do read this thread.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863488.0

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 December 22 22:35 GMT (UK) »
I’ve read different estimates on different sites, but it is claimed that autosomal tests will go back from 6 to 15 generations, which is quite a vague broad timeframe.

Depending on how long ago your “Viking” or French is, it may or may not show up in your estimates.

You are bound to get a few unexpected surprises. Don’t take too much notice of them, especially the low percentage ethnicity estimates.

Not sure I’d believe the claim that blue eyes are proof of the Danish connection, but ….

If your French noble researcher could persuade a known descendant to take a DNA test, you and s/he should share some cms. DNA tests are banned in France so a workaround would need to be found.

Ancestry do a traits test which may be of interest.


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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 December 22 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Working with others, DNA has opened avenues and clarified areas. But to reach that point, many have had DNA tests, so by comparing, a triangulation can pinpoint answers, though a paper trail should also be found. My DNA on the whole seemed right with the ethnicity percentages offered. But I also had 8% Pashtun (India). It often relates to gipsy/traveller groups. My aunt, born 1919 was so dark and wrinkled. Her father had been in WW1, and I questioned if he was actually the father. With additional knowledge, others in the group also have dark-skinned offspring; and usually the first born, though not always. Within the group, the gipsy/traveller element is from different tribes. I now believe my aunt gained her skin colour from three generations before, as Powell was a major traveller name. There could well be further links. It can be challenging, when one child has very dark skin and two other children are fair, and all have the same father. If only I took a DNA test nothing would have been found. The larger the group, paternal, maternal, then cousins, 2nd cousins and further helps with the triangulation.

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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 December 22 18:20 GMT (UK) »
I suspect Ancestry does fairly well in detecting in 'Viking' genes but bear in mind this goes back a long way. I do know that people who have a high % of genes from high Viking populated areas like Lincolnshire, Norfolk coast, Yorkshire have a higher % of Norway or Sweden/Denmark, and in the Orkneys people can have over 30% which fits Orkney's history as once being part of the kingdom of Norway.
  Regarding French, up until recently Ancestry has been pretty bad, but in the last update, they got a little better, but if you have less than 50% French it still may get mixed up and not detect it as French, particularly northern French genetics are so similar to British and Irish genetics.

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Re: Which DNA test would be good for Viking & French ancestry?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 December 22 23:18 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for all of your advice, it's something I will think about over the holidays and whether it is worth the cost to take further for possibly little further information on areas of my research.
London Area (Bethnal Green, Shadwell, Shoreditch, Whitechapel): Ames, Brown, Ellis.
Lowestoft Area: Ames, Colby, Knights, Lincoln, Mantripp, Martin, Tripp, Turner.
Durham Area: Barkess, Mushens.

Belgium (Oost Vlaanderen): Baluwé, Bombeke, Boon, De Bock, De Potter, Dua, Latour, Noppe, Thys, Vanden Berghe, Van Hoey, Seghers, Vercheyen, Vergauwen, Wuytack

France: De Cambrai, De Flandres, De Hennin, De Haynin, Denain, d'Ostrevant, De Ribemont, De Roucy, De Valenciennes