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William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« on: Thursday 15 December 22 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, I have a 3rd gr aunt Elisabeth Salmond 1818-1885 who married William Orr (b abt 1815 in Kilmalcolm, Renfrewshire)  in 1844in Kilbarchan, Renfrew.  I lately have a lot of DNA matches with Orr in their tree, Tennant and Vallance and Orr seems to be the link.  One of my gr Uncles had Órr'as his middle name.  I would like to try to build out my William Orr to see if any other branches actually somehow become into my direct line but am having trouble trying to find who William's parents are.  I believe he was still alive in 1901 as he is father in law to Robert Cross who married William's daughter Elizabeth Orr.  They are living in Cadder in 1901. Each of the 51, 61, 71, 81 91 and 1901 census give Williams birthplace as Renfrewshire around 1815.  I have searched Scotlandspeople for deaths between 1901 and 1920 and there are 4.  The Cadder one looks promising in 1910 - mother's maiden name McKendrick, however I cannot find any births for a William to that mother.  The other three possibilities are 1910 Corstophine, mother;s maiden name Bishop, 1903 mother's maiden name Clouston and 1902, Ayr, mother;s maiden name Morrison.  None of these names appear as birth mothers in a Scotlandspeople search from 1800 - 1820 in Renfrew, nor outside the area.  Has anyone got any ideas on this?  Grateful for any advice.  Thanks in advance.  Anne  (PS The family seems to have lived in Renfrew, Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire and Stirlingshire.)
Scotland: Stewart, Smith, Edward, Barron, Macdonald, Sinclair, Millar/Miller, Ross, Salmon(d), Cuthel, Cuthill, Macalister, McAlaster, McAllister, Forsyth, Haddow, Todd, Aitken, Gartshore, Mackie, Strang
England: Lucas, Parkinson, Nicholls
Ireland: Keys, McAuliffe, Achilles, Fenner/Fannin, Halpin
Germany: Achilles, Bartels, Barthold, Pralow, Schreiber, Kloth, Cords

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Re: William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 December 22 12:33 GMT (UK) »
I have asked a moderator to move this to another board as you have mistakenly posted on" How to Use RootsChat (please don't post requests here)".
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
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Re: William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 December 22 13:36 GMT (UK) »
William Orr (b abt 1815 in Kilmalcolm, Renfrewshire)

Don't census records show him as born c1822/23?  As his first son was named Hugh it is likely to be the name of his father.

ORR, WILLIAM
   
Parents: HUGH ORR/JANET MCKENDRICK
FR480 (FR480)
02/08/1822
569
20 / 106
   
Kilmacolm

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Re: William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 December 22 20:46 GMT (UK) »
William Orr (b abt 1815 in Kilmalcolm, Renfrewshire)

Don't census records show him as born c1822/23?  As his first son was named Hugh it is likely to be the name of his father.

ORR, WILLIAM
   
Parents: HUGH ORR/JANET MCKENDRICK
FR480 (FR480)
02/08/1822
569
20 / 106
   
Kilmacolm

Debra  :)
Debra i have their first son as Thomas and Hugh after all the daughters. I dont have a subscription to ancestry at the moment so having trouble opening the records i had saved on their profiles.  I think i will purchase that death cert and see if its him. Thank you Anne
Scotland: Stewart, Smith, Edward, Barron, Macdonald, Sinclair, Millar/Miller, Ross, Salmon(d), Cuthel, Cuthill, Macalister, McAlaster, McAllister, Forsyth, Haddow, Todd, Aitken, Gartshore, Mackie, Strang
England: Lucas, Parkinson, Nicholls
Ireland: Keys, McAuliffe, Achilles, Fenner/Fannin, Halpin
Germany: Achilles, Bartels, Barthold, Pralow, Schreiber, Kloth, Cords


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Re: William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 December 22 21:55 GMT (UK) »
In the 1901 census, William Orr born 1822 is in Cadder Lanarkshire (age 79), with his daughter's family.
I think the death in 1910 in Cadder is likely to be correct.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 December 22 02:13 GMT (UK) »
I cannot see a baptism or birth for a Thomas and he doesn't appear on any census with them.

William is aged 28 in 1851, 38 in 1861, 49 in 1871, 59 in 1881, 69 in 1891 and 79 in 1901 so he is very consistent with his year of birth being 1822/23.

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Re: William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 December 22 22:35 GMT (UK) »
I cannot see a baptism or birth for a Thomas and he doesn't appear on any census with them.

William is aged 28 in 1851, 38 in 1861, 49 in 1871, 59 in 1881, 69 in 1891 and 79 in 1901 so he is very consistent with his year of birth being 1822/23.

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Thank you Debra.  It seems I have the wrong William Orr and Elisabeth as parents for this Thomas.  Had found him in a census.  I will remove him from the family I have him in, as you are right, I cannot find him baptisms either.  Anne
Scotland: Stewart, Smith, Edward, Barron, Macdonald, Sinclair, Millar/Miller, Ross, Salmon(d), Cuthel, Cuthill, Macalister, McAlaster, McAllister, Forsyth, Haddow, Todd, Aitken, Gartshore, Mackie, Strang
England: Lucas, Parkinson, Nicholls
Ireland: Keys, McAuliffe, Achilles, Fenner/Fannin, Halpin
Germany: Achilles, Bartels, Barthold, Pralow, Schreiber, Kloth, Cords

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Re: William Orr and Elizabeth Salmond
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 December 22 22:36 GMT (UK) »
In the 1901 census, William Orr born 1822 is in Cadder Lanarkshire (age 79), with his daughter's family.
I think the death in 1910 in Cadder is likely to be correct.
Thank you - yes I had found him living with them then too so thought it had to be one of the few after that date.
Scotland: Stewart, Smith, Edward, Barron, Macdonald, Sinclair, Millar/Miller, Ross, Salmon(d), Cuthel, Cuthill, Macalister, McAlaster, McAllister, Forsyth, Haddow, Todd, Aitken, Gartshore, Mackie, Strang
England: Lucas, Parkinson, Nicholls
Ireland: Keys, McAuliffe, Achilles, Fenner/Fannin, Halpin
Germany: Achilles, Bartels, Barthold, Pralow, Schreiber, Kloth, Cords