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Offline DianaCanada

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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 December 22 13:47 GMT (UK) »
  I think "gotten" may be creeping back over here, which I have no problem with. (I have plenty of other language bugbears, but that is not one of them. And my bugbears are mainly not American!)

From watching British shows and movies (okay, films!), I’ve noticed a number of verb forms being used with the old “en” ending, but can’t think of one - perhaps “forbidden” is an example. 

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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 December 22 14:59 GMT (UK) »
  Forbidden is standard in British English.
 I had to go and find a website! The general opinion seems to be that gotten disappeared here 300 years ago. But the use of gotten in America seems more complex than you might think, as grammar often is. Quote:-
  " Roughly: when talking about a static situation (possessing or needing) the past participle is got; when talking about a dynamic situation (acquiring or becoming) the past participle is gotten. So:

    Yesterday I got a new guitar
    I’ve got a great guitar
    I’ve gotten a new guitar
    You’ve got to see my new guitar
    I got into playing the guitar last year
    I’d gotten into playing the guitar the previous year"

 The writer also thinks that more people in Britain are coming to use it.

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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 December 22 16:44 GMT (UK) »
Yes, that is how we use got and gotten:  "I have gotten better at organizing my genealogy", vs. "I"ve got a lot of new descendants entered into my programme".

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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #12 on: Monday 12 December 22 18:02 GMT (UK) »
  I think "gotten" may be creeping back over here, which I have no problem with. (I have plenty of other language bugbears, but that is not one of them. And my bugbears are mainly not American!)

I cannot agree with you 😝 it just somehow grates with me 🙁
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Sussex - Knapp. Nailard. Potten. Coleman. Pomfrey. Carter. Picknell
Greenwich/Woolwich. - Clowting. Davis. Kitts. Ferguson. Lowther. Carvalho. Pressman. Redknap. Argent.
Hertfordshire - Sturgeon. Bird. Rule. Claxton. Taylor. Braggins


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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #13 on: Monday 12 December 22 18:09 GMT (UK) »
  I think "gotten" may be creeping back over here, which I have no problem with. (I have plenty of other language bugbears, but that is not one of them. And my bugbears are mainly not American!)

I cannot agree with you 😝 it just somehow grates with me 🙁

Funny, because the British “got” just sounds ungrammatical to me - it’s what you’re used to, I guess.

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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #14 on: Monday 12 December 22 18:13 GMT (UK) »
  I think "gotten" may be creeping back over here, which I have no problem with. (I have plenty of other language bugbears, but that is not one of them. And my bugbears are mainly not American!)

I cannot agree with you 😝 it just somehow grates with me 🙁

What about the expression 'ill-gotten gains'?
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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #15 on: Monday 12 December 22 19:02 GMT (UK) »
If we have "begotten" and "forgotten", it seems a bit odd to balk at "gotten"

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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #16 on: Monday 12 December 22 19:05 GMT (UK) »
Being of a mature age, a couple of my bugbears are:

1. Using 'them' when it should be 'those'
2. Using 'p' when it should be 'pence'

But hey, as I said at the start, I am of a mature age and used to be in trouble from my English Language teacher if I used the wrong pronoun / noun / verb.

Oh how things have changed.  :(

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Re: What does 'se'nnight' mean
« Reply #17 on: Monday 12 December 22 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Being of a mature age, a couple of my bugbears are:

1. Using 'them' when it should be 'those'
2. Using 'p' when it should be 'pence'

But hey, as I said at the start, I am of a mature age and used to be in trouble from my English Language teacher if I used the wrong pronoun / noun / verb.

Oh how things have changed.  :(

How mature? I recall doing something called "parsing" in English.