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Offline Peter Cockerill

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Stuck On Letter of Administration
« on: Friday 09 December 22 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Dear Friends

I posted this on the general forum but hope soemone with Knowledge of London might be able to help.

I am looking for Letter of Administration for Richard Wright please see below.

Richard Wright (Goldsmith) of Henrietta Street, St Pauls, Covent Garden, London UK was buried 28th April 1724 at South Weald Church Essex.

His wife Martha was named as an 'Administrator' (not Executor) she died before administration was granted and their son Anthony Wright (Goldsmith) got landed with the administration: see

'Anthony Wright, goldsmith of St Paul Covent Garden, Middlesex (son and administrator of Richard Wright, deceased, of goods unadministered by Martha Wright his late widow, and executor of said Martha Wright).....

The National Archives  Reference: • C 11/869/51
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10439057

This was a well to do Catholic family.

Any help greatly appreciated
Peter
Butler, Ireland.
Caddell, Co. Meath, Ireland.
Cockerill, Hackness, North Yorkshire.
Farrell, Ireland.
Jerningham, Costessy, Norfolk.
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Owen, Fulham, London.
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Peck, Wakefield, Huddersfield,Yorkshire
Tilt Coventry.

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Re: Stuck On Letter of Administration
« Reply #1 on: Friday 09 December 22 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
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Re: Stuck On Letter of Administration
« Reply #2 on: Friday 09 December 22 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Did you follow up on those ideas from the previous post Peter?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Stuck On Letter of Administration
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 December 22 22:01 GMT (UK) »
As has been said on the other thread, if the grant was made in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, it has to be searched for in person at Kew. It will not be found online.

There are no ‘papers’ for such grants of administration. All you will get is a 5 or 6 line entry in the Administration Act Book, giving the names of the deceased and of the administrator, the parish, possibly an occupation (it might just be ‘gentleman’, or ‘widower’), the date of the grant, and the date by which the inventory/accounts have to be submitted. You appear to have most of this information already. TNA staff would not normally do this search for you.

The Chancery suit that you flagged up in the other thread may give you more useful information. It is easy enough to ask TNA to send you a quote for a digital copy of that document. Just click on ‘Request a Copy’.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10439057


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Re: Stuck On Letter of Administration
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 December 22 22:24 GMT (UK) »
I take it that you have the PCC will of Martha? Anthony was her executor. The probate date on Martha's will is 20 Dec 1731, so it would have been factors other than death that got in the way of her administering Richard's estate.

The court case suggests that the administration was held up by disputes over Richard's estate -- there are also other relevant cases, e.g.:
C 11/90/15
C 11/782/40

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Mike
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Re: Stuck On Letter of Administration
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 December 22 10:18 GMT (UK) »
I see Bookbox's comments on my post, which I made in another thread.  (I was not able to add to that.)

I decided to outline what was involved in getting details of the administration.  Other posters had already indicated that Peter would not get much from it, but he had specifically asked for it on two occasions, so I felt someone ought to address that aspect. My use of the word "papers" was somewhat inaccurate.

I only suggested that it might be reasonable to ask for help from staff in checking the indexes.  Perhaps official policy is not to help in such matters, but the TNA website does invite research enquiries, and this did not strike me as too big an ask, as the indexes are in book form on open shelves.

My post was intended to be helpful, so I am a little surprised by the sequel.

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Re: Stuck On Letter of Administration
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 December 22 09:03 GMT (UK) »
I see Bookbox's comments on my post, which I made in another thread.  (I was not able to add to that.)

Apologies for posting on the wrong thread - my mistake.

It can be difficult when someone posts the same query to a second thread without acknowledging replies posted on the first thread.

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Re: Stuck On Letter of Administration
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 December 22 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Dear Friends, Bookbox, Watson, Novak20, Goldie61and BumbleB

Thank you all for your helpful suggestions and guidance I am most grateful to you all.

Many thanks to all of you,
Peter
Butler, Ireland.
Caddell, Co. Meath, Ireland.
Cockerill, Hackness, North Yorkshire.
Farrell, Ireland.
Jerningham, Costessy, Norfolk.
Nicholl, Merthyr Mawr, Wales.
Owen, Fulham, London.
Peck, Holt, Denbighshire, Wales.
Peck, Wakefield, Huddersfield,Yorkshire
Tilt Coventry.