Seeking info: Alexander Joass -farmer at Burnside- married Helen Ross 23/04/1774

[GR2]

Some published sources:

Annals of Banff vol 1:

https://archive.org/details/annalsbanff00cramgoog/page/n119/mode/2up?q=joss

Annals of Banff vol 2:

https://archive.org/details/annalsofbanffcom02cram/page/n7/mode/2up?q=joss

Records of the county of Banff 1660-1760:

https://archive.org/details/recordsofcountyo00banfrich/page/142/mode/2up?q=joss

I have set the search to "Joss", but if you change it to "Joass", you will find other entries.

[Rosinish]

GR2...

I'm unsure if it's just me but the above links are not working, could it be to do with the search engine I'm using, Microsoft Edge?

Edit...I had found those yesterday & had the same problem.

Anyone can sign up free here then can view those records & 1000s more as a premium member for £11 per 3 month...

https://en.geneanet.org/library/doc/34456/records-of-the-county-of-baniff-1660-1760-one-hundred-years-of-county-government


Annie

[PriceNash]

The links for the annals worked for me using Safari.

[PriceNash]

Thank you GR2, some interesting and relevant items in the annals. Appreciate you posting them.

[GR2]

GR2...

I'm unsure if it's just me but the above links are not working, could it be to do with the search engine I'm using, Microsoft Edge?

Annie

I use Edge and they are working for me.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Thanks for the input. Lots to review. 

It seems to me , through my research that all the Walter Joasses are related...
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/64fa6af6865574765b80d76e?locale=en

 The name is passed down through the families and holds some importance. Walter Joass 1684 could be a brother to Alexander Joass sr. that died 1763. Assuming he lived to be 75 , he should have been born mid to late 1680's. He had a son named Walter and his other sons John and Alexander both had Walters in 1780.

I'm happy for this Freereg document because it's not on SP. It's new to me ...

Walter Joass 1684:
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/595ed195f493fdbd7ae3e773/walter-joass-baptism-banffshire-banff-1685-03-06?locale=en

If Alexander Joass sr (died 1763)  and Walter Joass 1684 are brothers then William Joass of Collenard is their father. Of course they could be related but not brothers.

There are several William Joasses of Collenard. Some have Sir-so-and-so as witness and are related to the lairds of Collenard and others like Walter 1684 just have regular civilian folk witnessing baptisms.  seem like a Collenard connection for Alexander Joass of Burnside (1722-ish to 1802) is more and more likely.

I'm trying to ascertain if Walter Simson that appears on the baptism of Walter Joass 1684 is the same Walter Simson that witnesses for Walter Joass 1727. In the latter instance he is Wit: Walter Simson in Auchenbaidie. It could be a related people with the same name like a father and son. Hard to tell. I thought I had a clue there.

Ancestry has zero mention of Walter Joass 1684 ...  Which makes me think he holds promise!

Walter Joass 1728 Alvah has Wit: Walter Gray at Milne of Ryland
Walter Simson born 1695 to Walter Simson and Janet Wilson has Wit: Walt. Gray, Walt. Gall

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/595ed1b3f493fdbd7ae3f224/walter-simson-baptism-banffshire-banff-1695-06-25?locale=en

[GR2]

I'm happy for this Freereg document because it's not on SP. It's new to me ...

Walter Joass 1684:
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/595ed195f493fdbd7ae3e773/walter-joass-baptism-banffshire-banff-1685-03-06?locale=en

I was very suspicious of this. The date is given as 1684/5. In Scotland New Year's day has been 1st January since 1600, so should just be 1685. In England it would still be 1684, so 1684/5 makes sense for an English record. Maybe it's like that because it's a pro forma for the whole of the UK.

I looked at ScotlandsPeople for all 1685 baptisms in Banff, but no Walter Joasses under any spelling. I then looked for a date near to 6th March so I could see the page the alleged baptism would be on and found William Elder having a son Walter baptised on that day. Looking at the original, the entry reads:

                                           March 6
The said day Walter ye Lawfull sone of Wil
liam Elder in Colleonard was baptized
Wtss Walter Reaburne Walter Milne &
Walter Simsone

So the father is William Elder, not William Joass. Also William Elder is "in" Colleonard, which means he is a tenant there, not the owner. If he owned it, it would say "of" Colleonard.

The baptism took place on a Friday, so probably took place in the house, rather than the church. It was not unusual at this period to get people who shared the child's Christian name to be witnesses.

[PriceNash]

Good find GR2, perhaps what it has been transcribed incorrectly an what they are saying is the Walter is the son of Walter Joass, the elder. It would make sense however I have not checked to see if there is a Walter Joass that is the elder (father).

[GR2]

The father's name is definitely William Elder, not William Joass the elder. If it had been William Joass the owner of Colleonard, it would have said "William Joass of Colleonard". Also William Joass of Colleonard graduated from King's College, Aberdeen, on 12th July 1660, so he would be referred to as "Mr William Joass". At that period Mr was not a general title for any man, but was restricted to those with a university degree of M. A.

There were two or three men called William Elder having children baptised in the parish of Banff in that period. Two have wives named, unlike the William Elder here. A William Elder with no wife named has a son, Walter, baptised in 1687. You would have to look at the original entry, but it may well be that the Walter Elder baptised in 1685 had died and the Walter Elder baptised in 1687 was a younger brother.