Seeking info: Alexander Joass -farmer at Burnside- married Helen Ross 23/04/1774

[GR2]

This birth in 1781 (same time as Walter Joass) shows the schoolmaster witnessing a birth of a child named Alexander to Alexander Joass of Bauds and wife Ann Lumsden.

No matter how small I resize the doc , I can't seem to post it...so I have to link to my google drive to share it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wog27GZVp5RWlhBVxxHuQv7KiGdEFfLU/view?usp=sharing

Having looked at this, the witness is not Alexander Joass the schoolmaster, but a schoolmaster called Alexander Tocher.

[GR2]

Brainflash*

It's quite possible that Alexander Joass schoolmaster had no children ... therefore no one could claim lineage from him. 

Is there any proof he married  before Margaret Morrison or procreated?

It is almost certain that he was not married before he married Margaret Morrison. The fact that no mention at all is made of any children of his in the will suggests this.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Thanks a lot GR2. Your posts were really helpful in tbis thread. There are Joss/Joyce/Joass organisations that take this stuff very seriously and the findings in this thread have upset the apple-cart a bit. It's causing a rethink.

Appreciate the help here.

[Alan of Kaslo]

"Having looked at this, the witness is not Alexander Joass the schoolmaster, but a schoolmaster called Alexander Tocher."

Ahh, okay. I thought it said teacher

I see a huge write-up about Alexander Tocher:

https://www.writinguptheancestors.ca/tag/tocher

[KitCarson]

Bookmarking, as we have an interest in the Joass family line.

Kit

[GR2]

Thanks Forfarian! Appreciated.

It used to bug me how badly ancestry wanted me to put the schoolmaster in my tree as father of Walter Joass 1780 ... they repeatedly recommended it and also Ann Lumsden as being his wife. I rejected it for years. Here's proof to the contrary.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wog27GZVp5RWlhBVxxHuQv7KiGdEFfLU/view?usp=sharing

Here is the inscription from a gravestone in the kirkyard at Alvah:

This stone is erected by Alexander Joass farmer in Bauds, in
memory of John Lumsden, sometime farmer in Carling Craigs, who
departed this life February 20th 1780, aged 66. Also his spouse,
died March 20th 1801, aged 79. Alexander Joass, farmer in Bauds 32 years,
died July 20th 1811, aged 72. Ann Lumsden, his spouse, died
February 8th 1812, aged 68, and their son, James Joss,
merchant, Boyndlie ...

[Alan of Kaslo]

Thanks again!

Full disclosure... most of what has been discussed here lately was all sent to me by GR2 in an email...to no previous marriage , the no kids, Elisabeth Bremner etc etc ... It was just so much information (along with the history and family tree of Helen Ross!) it caused me to temporarily forget the details , to keep my head from spinning off. It's a lot to take in.

Any ideas why Helen Ross wouldn't be buried with Alexander? Was it taboo to bury a second wife in the same plot as your first? I imagine Helen buried with her parents somewhere in King Edward area. They could be in Banffshire also.

[PriceNash]

Great question Alan and one that has got a lot of airtime.

As a matter of interests who do you have as Alex J 1722 parents and any vital details.

Just looking at the maths.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Folks say it's Alexander Joass 1714.
I have no idea if that is right or wrong. What everyone else has had has generally been consistently wrong... so I don't know what to think.

It's cast in stone that Alexander Joass -1763 and Beatrice Addison -1763 are the parents of Alexander Joass farmer of Burnside of Cullen. So I feel confident having them as Walter Joass 1780's grandparents in my tree.

Here is my current theory:

Alexander Joass farmer of Burnside, son of Alexander and Beatrice Addison was not 80 when he died. 30 years after he died they carved the grave and they put 80 because it was close enough and no one would complain. So instead of being born firmly in 1722 ... I believe he was actually born closer to 1732. Which would make him more like 40 when he remarried after the death of Mary Duncan and 46 for the birth of Walter in 1780.

There are a few possible candidates for Alexander Joass who died in 1802.

One that i'm looking at is an Alexander that was having a series of kids in the 1720's and 30's in Alvah. He had a son named Walter ... The last child he had in Alvah was 1731.

JOASS
   CHIRSTAIN
ALEXR. JOASS/
F
24/06/1722
146
10 / 16
Alvah

JOASS
JOHN
ALEXANDER JOASS/
M
04/03/1724
146
10 / 21
Alvah

JOASS
WALTER
ALEXANDER JOASS/
M
23/04/1727
146
10 / 29
Alvah
   
MARGARET
ALEXR. JOASS/
F
31/10/1730
146
10 / 41
Alvah

When I purchased these docs looking for clues I found that they first lived at Funkieston and then in a later birth Mill of Bredach and then later again Stoneyhill. So they moved around for sure  and were farmers/crofters... Anyhow after their last child listed in 1731 comes a birth in Gamrie for an Alexander Joass in 1734. The place is Mill of Lighnot close to Gardenstown (thanks Forfarian!)

It's possible Alexander Joass of Alvah moved to Mill of Lighnot and then had a son named Alexander.

I'll keep combing for clues.

As far as Alexander Joass 1714 ...supposed father of Alexander that died in 1802? Only DNA or some serious clues could prove that.