My DNA dilemma a 364cM match, researching for 3 years

[Biggles50]

Many thanks for your replies and kind words.

My 364cM match is the home person on a standalone tree that I have on Ancestry (it is set as Private), the tree now consists of 600 people and it goes back to the late 1700’s in Ireland.

I now have about 15 DNA matches to myself within the tree and they all have a link back to the same Irish family.

The 364cM match does not have a tree but their Daughter has a tree of 11 and I used the visible people in that tree as my starter tree.  Other DNA match’s have trees and others do not but I am lucky in that actual names have been used hence expanding the prime tree was time consuming but easy.  Well easy for the most part as some of the shared match’s have been in contact but it is a wip getting them into the tree.

I have Colour Coded the match’s using Ancestry’s system and today there are 42 Cousins who could be added to the tree but that is only using match’s who are more than a 30cm match.

My 364 cM match is 8 years older than I and was born and raised in and still lives in Bradford, which is where my Maternal Grandfather was born but he lived in Canada from 1903 and died in 1931.

In the 364cM family tree the shared match’s all work out in the right ball park relationship if I put myself, my Dad and Grandfather in the tree and have Grandad’s Father as an Irishman who was born in 1860.

The 364 cM is possibly higher than it should be and there may be my Maternal Bradford family DNA getting into the other branch of the 364 cM’s family thus skewing the results.  The 364cM Match’s First Cousins only share half the DNA with me which is why I suspect that there may be an NPE in their tree.

As it is Ancestry’s Sideview has listed the DNA match’s as Paternal which falls in line with my chart in the prior post as where my own NPE is likely to have occurred.

As for location my Lancastrian Great Great Grandmother put her favours around as did her Sister with both having at least two children out if wedlock and by different Fathers given the locational changes so maybe her Daughter was equally promiscuous?

DNA test results awaited from two of my Cousins will help clarify my hypothesis.

[jaywit]

Biggles Unfortunately 99.9% of what you say about DNA goes over my head but I wonder if you could give me your thoughts on a problem I have.

I have a match showing 389cM on Parent 1's side.

I have no idea who this woman is but she has an extensive tree on Ancestry with nothing to show any person connected to me.

Now her family came from a part of the country where none of mine have ever lived but her maternal grandfather was born, lived and died in the same city as my  Parent 1 was born in.

Looking at her maternal grandparents on 1939 they lived very close to one of my uncles and in fact the 2 men worked for the same company and the 2 women had very similar occupations.

What do I think?  well who knows.

[Biggles50]

389 cM would put the match in a high probability of them being a 1/2 First Cousin provided they are of the same generation.

A younger generation and it would be 1C1R

Or 2C or half 1C1R or 1C2R

A older generation and they could be a 1/2 Great Aunt.

These possible relationships are from DNA Painter.

First I would look at the Shared Match’s you have with them to see if any are in your tree or look like they can be easily added to your tree.

With my own mystery it could be one of my Aunts or uncles parenting the 364 match but when I look at shared match’s there are too many for me not to have a NPE in my tree.

Next I recently found a 2C who had used two of my Family images in their tree so I looked at their tree and found they were a generation short of getting to our Common Ancestor.  We made contact and I created a tree for them on the lines which do not link to me.  They came back to say that their GGM, who was my Great Aunt was an only child.  This was a significant error so I revisited their tree and found that another person in the same town with the same forename and surname had got married two years earlier.  So they had the wrong parents and we were not in fact my 2C.  So just because someone has a tree it does not mean it is correct.

Back to your 389, I would look at Uncles who may have been mobile as being the one spreading their seed.

Without WW1 neither my Paternal or Maternal Grandparents would have met, Maternal Grandfather lived 4000 miles away from the lady who became my Grandma.  So wars and conflict do aid mobility as does large infrastructure projects.

[brigidmac]

UnmarriecWomen also travelled to distant relatives to give birth away from town where the baby was conceived .

Include aunt's and uncles on your tree to check for locations near child's birth place .

[Biggles50]

UnmarriecWomen also travelled to distant relatives to give birth away from town where the baby was conceived .

Include aunt's and uncles on your tree to check for locations near child's birth place .

That was still happening in the 1990’s.

A young member of staff who worked in our office got herself pregnant after too much alcohol and a one night stand with a guy she did not know and was too legless to remember his feature and she left work to move 150 miles away to live with relatives until the baby was born, she never did return to the office.