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chalkeydave
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Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Good day one and all.
I have a Louisa Draper in my tree born 1858 in Radford Nottingham.
On the birth certificate her mothers maiden name is listed as Draper.
The father name is a blank.
I can understand that the father is unknown,but why the mother didn’t use her maiden name,or did she.
Many thanks in anticipation
Chalkeydave
CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2004
Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 15:40 GMT (UK) »
What was her mothers christian name & maiden name?
Where is Louisa in 1861
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)
CaroleW
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Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 15:48 GMT (UK) »
If her mother is Ruth - did you check the 1871 entry - she is shown as unmarried but has a number of children
1871 shows a daughter Emmaline b 1869 - GRO online shows no mothers maiden name so she was illegitimate
1861 incorrectly shown on image as Eliza
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M786-YZC
1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXH-4X9
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chalkeydave
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Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Yes I have that record,so do I presume she never married and her birth name was Draper.
On Some Ancestry trees ,which I don’t give much credence to,they list a Thomas Draper as father,but it rings alarm bells.
chalkeydave
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Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Further to the 1861 census,if that is correct,why isn’t Louisa ( born 1858) listed ?
CaroleW
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Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 16:06 GMT (UK) »
The records speak for themselves. There are 2 Ruth Drapers both b Castle Donington. Your Ruth is shown as 10yrs old in 1851 & not with a Draper family.
In 1851 she is a servant unmarried aged 23 & thereafter she is shown as unmarried
See my reply 2 re Louisa/Eliza
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)
BumbleB
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Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 16:11 GMT (UK) »
If you look again at the birth certificate then you will see that the heading says "Name, surname and maiden surname of mother". On most of the certificates I have the entry is "Elizabeth ..... formerly .....". Only if no father's name is entered, then there is a single surname for the mother.
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids. They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY
CaroleW
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Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 16:18 GMT (UK) »
I suspect Ruth was illegitimate. She was b 1827/28 per census & it's likely her mother was also Ruth
There is a marriage on 23.3.1828 in Castle Donnington between Ruth Draper & George Wright
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)
chalkeydave
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Re: Unknown Father
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Saturday 19 November 22 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both for your assistance.
Brilliant as always 👏👏
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