Eliza Maloney - Lost Marriage Records c.1860s

[Dundee]

Does anyone think that Charles and Henry could be the two boys registered in Castle Ward as I wrote earlier?

June 1866 Castle Ward 10 pg 249.
Charles Hills
Henry Hills

I do.  Charles birth cert would most likely settle it because his baptism gives a date of birth.

The 3 earlier recorded children in 1871 Matthew, Charles and Henry I suspect are not his, but took them on as step-children who took his surname. My thinking is that Eliza possibly had a relationship with a Mr ?? and those 3 children are hers from that relationship.

But where does the HILLS/MINNS come into it if they are Eliza's children?

Debra 

[softly softly]

Dundee

"But where does the HILLS/MINNS come into it if they are Eliza's children?"

In short "not a clue"

John

[Sophie_Glen]

I can't thank you all enough, this has opened up so many new potential leads and ideas!

Eliza Maloney's age relative to Thomas Kelly's moves a lot over the years, and I believe she may have been older than him when they married. So the potential that she was married prior and had issue holds some weight.

The GRO must be very happy today, as I have just ordered a number of birth certificates (including those for Charles and Henry Hills). I will update here with results when they arrive.

[softly softly]

I for one really look forward to hearing the outcome details of those certificate,fingers crossed.

John

[heywood]

I for one really look forward to hearing the outcome details of those certificate,fingers crossed.

John

Me too 

[softly softly]

added, possible 1861 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Z9-JZX

John

[Sophie_Glen]

Good evening,

I have the GRO records!

Charley and Henry Minns
These are two twins born on the 28th March 1866 in Winning, Newburn, Northumberland, England. They are the sons of Thomas Hills and Eliza (foremerly Minns).

They are most likely not related to my family line, but part of my does wonder if there was an issue with surnames. Thomas Hills may be Thomas Kelly, and Eliza Minns may be Eliza Maloney. Perhaps a reach too far... I've not been able to locate either boy on later census, nor death records. And there is similarly nothing for a marriage Hills/Minns marriage record.

Sarah Bridget Kelly
This looks to be correct, Sarah Bridget is the daughter of Thomas Kelly and Eliza Maloney. Born in October 1867, Newsham, Blyth. 

Matthew/Mark Kelly
I also did some digging for the eldest boy, Matthew, listed as a son of Thomas and Eliza. According to the 1871 census and his death record, he was born in Thornley in 1864. Interestingly, i found no record for a Matthew Kelly - but two GRO records for a Mark Kelly born in Thornley in 1864.

One Mark was born on the 24th September 1864 to a Matthew Kelly and Eliza Maloney (birth registered 29th September 1864). The second Mark was born on the 26th September 1864 to a Mark Kelly and Eliza Maloney (birth registered 2nd November 1864).... Not sure what this means, a clerical error?

I have a marriage certificate from 1863 for a Matthew Kelly and Eliza Maloney in Co. Durham. Mark is listed as being 16 years old than Eliza, so this definitely isn't a case of Thomas using a different/middle name.

Be interesting to hear all your thoughts on these new clues! I'm happy to post the birth records if of use/interest.

[heywood]

Looking at all the certificates:
Are there addresses?
Is there an occupation for Thomas Hills?
Occupation for Thomas Kelly /Matthew Kelly ?
*these will likely be miners though.
Are there fathers’ names and occupations on the marriage certificate?
Who are the witnesses to the marriage?
Are there similarities on the two birth certificates for Mark Kelly?

*just a reminder that full certificates shouldn’t be posted. If necessary just snippets but that may not be necessary.