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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi.

 In Ancestry there is an Old Bailey case for
 George Thomas Cox soldier aged 26 August 1915 ... obtaining money by false pretences from Alfred Dye. Found not guilty and discharged.

 I haven't got a sub for find my last but the case is featured in the newspapers on there.

 Is it him??


 Tazzie

Added..... Seems this one disappeared on his wedding day!   .......and he was in the rifle brigade.
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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:21 GMT (UK) »
  Thanks Queenie  :)
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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Interestingly, he was found not guilty by the verdict of the jury. The question still remains, why would he not go on to marry again? He never actually married Miss Dye. Could he still be the George who married Minnie?

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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:28 GMT (UK) »
Curiouser and curiouser. Of course there are other men born George Thomas Cox, but far away except the Pancras one who seeems a little young.

Was he a sergeant? I can't find it. I thought 2nd Rifles rather than 5th but he could have been moved.

If he deserted Miss Dye, he may have had no scruples about leaving Minnie, who I still can't find in censuses despite knowing her age.

Another bad lad like his cousin James Alfred Levey who has a thread to himself?
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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Groom was 27, bachelor , electrical engineer, father Thomas , soldier, dec'd
Bride was 26, spinster, father John , stableman
witnesses Charles Alfred Hines, Rosina Elizabeth Hines

Boo

Great find, Boo. Where did you get this information? I couldn't find it.

Queenie  :)

https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk

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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:34 GMT (UK) »
Was he a sergeant? I can't find it. I thought 2nd Rifles rather than 5th but he could have been moved.

He was indeed in the 5th Rifle Brigade, at least he was at the time of his 1906 attestation.

Queenie  :)

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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Curiouser and curiouser. Of course there are other men born George Thomas Cox, but far away except the Pancras one who seeems a little young.

Was he a sergeant? I can't find it. I thought 2nd Rifles rather than 5th but he could have been moved.

If he deserted Miss Dye, he may have had no scruples about leaving Minnie, who I still can't find in censuses despite knowing her age.

Another bad lad like his cousin James Alfred Levey who has a thread to himself?

Both your George Thomas and the one in court were Sergeants
There are reports in various newspapers about this case. The report on the Leicester Daily Post 27 Aug 1915 was made after the case closed.

I'd say he was extremely likely to be the same man as you are looking for.

the defendant had remarked he had not been the same man since his brother was killed at Neuve Chapelle. He has served a considerable time in India and he had been in France. From there he was sent back to England suffering from frost bite and was made musketry instructor.

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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 05 November 22 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Yes I think the brother killed in France and the long service in India are clinchers. Soldiers were expected to fight on after a brother died. He was not so far from Romford to marry there next year, and "electricakl engineer" may be just an exaggeration.
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Re: Have I added two and two and made five?
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 05 November 22 18:56 GMT (UK) »
I'll wrap this up with thanks again to Queenie and Boo. My first venture into Essex after 20+ years at this game, all good experience.

If George was the one who married Minnie Mitchell, and attended his son's baptism, this was also around the time that he was getting Elizabeth Gilbey pregnant!
 
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