Is John Pringle a brick wall?

[Nennefer]

Can anyone advise on how i might progress with my 3 times G grandfather.

I have just discovered he may have been born at St.Andrews, Fife, but i'm not convinced. The only evidence i have is his merchant seaman's ticket, dated 1845 which gives the following details:

John Pringle born December 1801 St. Andrews, Fife. He was a carpenter and first went to sea in 1822.
when not working he live in Wapping and later Tower Hamlets, London where he had a wife and children.

I have researched the London area and have all i can from there. I haven't been able to find anything on his birth or any family he may have had in Fife. I would love to strengthen the connection with Scotland if the details are true. Any suggestions on where i might try from here.

I must add research in Scotland is totally new to me and i am struggling with this a little.

[ostler]

According to the OPRs (Old Parish Registers) there were no John Pringles baptised in Fife between 1799 and 1803 (although there was a James and an Alexander in St Andrews).

There are John Pringles baptised elsewhere in Scotland, but without his parents' names there's no real way of confirming (or otherwise).

[Nennefer]

Thank you for checking that for me Ostler.
I suspected the search was futile but thought i would ask, not coming from the area i wasn't sure if i was missing something that might progress me further.  I shall just have to be content with what i have.
for over 30 years it has been my wish to trace my Pringle name back to its origins up north. I have at least achieved that.

[ShaunJ]

There is an 1804 baptism for a John Pringle at St Andrews:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBJ1-4XX

And there is this seaman's ticket record from 1838:

[ColC]

I guess this is the family you refer to?

John Pringle married Ann Brook 1832 Wapping

Children.
James 1833, not on census returns 1841/51
Mary Ann 1839, George 1842
Elizabeth 1845 died 1845, Frederick 1847

From the census returns it looks like Ann is a widow by 1851, although the census is not too clear. John is not with Ann & Mary on the 1841 census, maybe at sea?

Acxcording to a tree on Ancestry James died  1841 but no GRO record and they state this is John below?

PRINGLE    John        St Geo Southk    4   818

There were two baptisms around that time in Fife, plus one has been posted already.

PRINGLE   JAMES   ALEXANDER PRINGLE LEAH MYLES    28/04/1800   St Andrews and St Leonards
PRINGLE   JAMES   DAVID PRINGLE   18/12/1803   Collessie

Colin

[Nennefer]

There is an 1804 baptism for a John Pringle at St Andrews:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBJ1-4XX

And there is this seaman's ticket record from 1838:

Oh wow ShaunJ, what a find. That could very well be my John Pringle the only date of birth i have for him is on the ticket i posted above, the day looks wrong but the month is correct.
The parents names on the christening are James and Elizabeth. I know its not evidence but Johns Eldest child was named James and he also had a daughter Elizabeth that died in infancy.
i will go hunt out that seaman's ticket too as i've not seen that one. I thought i had searched them all. Is it on FindMyPast?

[Nennefer]

I guess this is the family you refer to?

John Pringle married Ann Brook 1832 Wapping

Children.
James 1833, not on census returns 1841/51
Mary Ann 1839, George 1842
Elizabeth 1845 died 1845, Frederick 1847



From the census returns it looks like Ann is a widow by 1851, although the census is not too clear. John is not with Ann & Mary on the 1841 census, maybe at sea?

Acxcording to a tree on Ancestry James died  1841 but no GRO record and they state this is John below?

PRINGLE    John        St Geo Southk    4   818

There were two baptisms around that time in Fife, plus one has been posted already.

PRINGLE   JAMES   ALEXANDER PRINGLE LEAH MYLES    28/04/1800   St Andrews and St Leonards
PRINGLE   JAMES   DAVID PRINGLE   18/12/1803   Collessie

Colin

Yes Colin thats the family, these are the children i have for them;

Children:
James Pringle.  Baptised 21 Sep 1833, Wapping home address 5 Newmarket Street Wapping.
John George Pringle. Baptised 5 July 1835, Wapping home address 5 Newmarket Street Wapping.
Mary Ann Pringle. Baptised 7 July 1839, Marmaduke Street.
George John Pringle. Baptised 28 Oct 1842, Cannon Street.
Elizabeth Pringle. Baptised 9 Nov 1845, Marmaduke Street.
Frederick Pringle. Baptised 1 Dec 1847, 15 Cannon Street Road.

You are correct Ann was a widow by 1851 as John died on 5 Dec 1847 whilst on a trip attached to the above merchant seaman's ticket in my original post. I have not been able to decipher the place name of his death on the document, so can not discover where he may have been buried.

sorry Im not good at cropping the image but if you can download it i assume you can view the righthand column giving details of place and date he died.

[ShaunJ]

Is it on FindMyPast?

Yes it is. They have its date as 1835.

[Nennefer]

I am beyond excited, Thank you all.
ShawnJ, i found the ticket and based on the information on it i am convinced this is my John. Under the ticket number is the code 64 my research tells me this represents the port of London and is the port John worked out of. It states his age at the time was 34 in 1838, giving a year of birth of 1804
This matches the information given on the christening record for St. Andrews.
Well done, i'm so so pleased