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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 30 October 22 16:46 GMT (UK) »
When an illegitimate child is registered (because father only named if he also attended registration) then it was common for mother's occupation to be listed. Mary Ann was listed as Phillips or McDowell depending on the information she provided to the registrar. Sewer was her occupation- in other words, she likely took in sewing at home to try and support her family. In any case, she would have struggled to look after all her children.

Reading what I've found so far, William & Mary married in Nov.1897 and daughter Mary Ellen born 2 months later. Daughter Sarah born 1899. In 1901 census William is away from home working. Three sons next born (registered with William McDowell as father). Then Mary Ann has illegitimate daughter Annie (1909). By 1911 it looks like she was unable to care for the whole family and eldest daughters are in orphanage*. Son Patrick born 1918.
*an orphan can be a child who has one or two dead parents. I have not been able to find a death for William McDowell (from 1901-1921) but perhaps the Sisters of Mercy also took in children whose parents were not able to care for them.

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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 30 October 22 16:49 GMT (UK) »
Apologies also thinking Mary Philips didn't have so many children

As Patrick COLLINS is correct too
From other thread he was born 12 Balmoral street head of household was Eliza McFetridge who was still head in 1932

You.ll be able to pass this information onto the other adoptee descendants too


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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 30 October 22 17:05 GMT (UK) »
yes so after annie, there was an edward, margaret, patrick evelyn and an edna. The last 2 i cant find births for. They are all without a Father registered. So looks like the 3 boys where her last 'mcdowell' children. Im unable to find williams death either agahadowey. But will keep trying.

Ill keep an eye on your posts to come for more information, cant have everyone starving over me and my tree lol. Thanks everyone x

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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 30 October 22 17:36 GMT (UK) »
Out of curiosity does your 2nd cousin show at full 2nd cousin level or more like half 2nd cousin

Re your original question  you could be half Cousins at that level but more likely to be half cousins 1 removed 
My half C 1R is 191cm to me
+ 192cm to my cousin

336cm to my mother as half cousins
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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 30 October 22 20:03 GMT (UK) »
As Patrick COLLINS is correct too
From other thread he was born 12 Balmoral street head of household was Eliza McFetridge who was still head in 1932

No. Patrick Collins McDowell was born at Ballymartin as per his birth registration-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01283/1531851.pdf

yes so after annie, there was an edward, margaret, patrick evelyn and an edna. The last 2 i cant find births for. 
Patrick was born in June 1918. Irish Genealogy only has N.I. vital records up to 1921 & GRONI's online database only shows births less than 100 years old. I did a search on GRONI and in Kilkeel district- no matches after Patrick's birth.

So, a bit more-
Mary Ellen McDowell (8 Jan.1898 Ballymartin-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02099/1799806.pdf (father- William McDowell, stone cutter)
1. ? Agnes Anna McDowell (10 June 1917 at 29 Malone Place, Belfast)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01314/1543292.pdf (illegitimate, mother- Mary McDowell Kilkeel)
2. ? Doreen McDowell (25 Aug.1918 at 51 Lisburn Rd., Belfast)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01274/1528374.pdf (mother Mary McDowell of 56 Townsend St., Belfast)

James McDowell (22 Aug.1901 Ballymartin-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01936/1749125.pdf (father- stone cutter)

William McDowell (24 May 1904 Moneydaraghmore-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01832/1715572.pdf (father- stone cutter)

George McDowell (4 June 1905 Moneydaraghmore-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01788/1702129.pdf (father- stone cutter)

Annie Phillips/McDowell (24 July 1909 Ballymartin-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01596/1641453.pdf (illegitimate, mother Mary Ann Phillips, sewer)

Edward McDowell (1912 Ballymartin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01476/1601256.pdf (note that Mary Ann also registered the birth following Edward’s)

Margaret McDowell (1914 Ballymartin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01398/1574920.pdf

Patrick Collins McDowell (1 June 1918 Ballymartin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01283/1531851.pdf (illegitimate, mother Mary Ann McDowell, a sewer)
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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 30 October 22 20:07 GMT (UK) »
Now for Mary Ann (Phillips) McDowell's sister- perhaps following the Phillips family will help with further DNA matches.

Catherine “Kate” Phillips (21 Feb.1871 Ballymartin) m.(1913) Francis Newell
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03314/2214760.pdf (parents George Phillips & Ellen Fitzpatrick)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballykeel/Ballymartin/1234508/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballykeel/Ballymartin/243806/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09896/5595609.pdf
1. Edward Phillips (1892 Ballymartin-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02329/1871923.pdf
Possible marriage in 1913? (father listed as John Phillips)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09888/5592251.pdf
     a.? Mary Catherine Phillips (1914 Ballymartin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01415/1581542.pdf
     b.? Ellen Phillips (1915 Ballymartin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01355/1558996.pdf
     c.? Annie Elizabeth Phillips (1917 Ballymartin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01291/1534787.pdf
     d.? Edward Phillips (1919 Ballymartin)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01235/1513656.pdf
2. George Phillips (1900 Ballymartin-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01989/1765595.pdf
3. Mary Ellen Phillips (1904 Ballymartin-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01832/1715570.pdf
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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 30 October 22 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Now onto the mystery of your DNA match with grandmother also called Sarah McDowell (I'll call her the other Sarah for now) but born possibly 1909. Since this involves another family you may no want to post details here but at least think about the questions and see if there are any further clues there.

Your Sarah was born 1899 and gave birth to a son in 1920 in Belfast. So, when and where did the 'other' Sarah McDowell give birth? Belfast? after 1920? Do they have an address for 'other' Sarah?

If Sarah stayed in Belfast then married in 1940- have you searched for her burial under that married name?
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/
https://myhostedapp.com/fmi/webd/anbc_portal?homeurl=https://www.antrimandnewtownabbey.gov.uk.
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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #43 on: Monday 31 October 22 08:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks aghadowey for all them links. I think i had missed one or 2. I do actually have a dna match through the phillips so thats confirmed that side for me. Thank you. Sometimes i think ive looked that hard, im missing things. It really does help having another set of eyes.

So yes the mystery other Sarah McDowell.....I have been given 2 documents relating to her. One her marriage and one death certificate.
Her marriage took place 1st june 1940 in Portsmouth! To a man called Cyril Charles Davey. He is listed as being 21years and she is 30 years old.  She is a hotel chambermaid and he is a cook for N.A.A.F.I (NO CLUE) Her address is 22 stone street, Portsmouth. His address is 40 durham street.
His father Thomas Henry Davey and deceased. Hers listed as William McDowell Deceased.

Now her death.....She died 22nd feb 1989 in Portsmouth. Her name is now listed as Sadie Sarah Davey (my grandmother sarah, also was meant to have been known by sadie) Maiden name again listed as McDowell. DATE OF BIRTH LISTED AS 28TH SEPT 1909. (i cannot find from groni this birth) Place of birth northern ireland. Her husbands details again listed as the informant. Both living in Asbury Nursing home.Died of a Cerebral Vascular accident.


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Re: Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)
« Reply #44 on: Monday 31 October 22 08:18 GMT (UK) »
So ok NAAFI is the Navy. Makes sense given its portsmouth