Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)

[brigidmac]

from a tree
Her sister Mary Ellen also had a child 1917 who was adopted and one in 1918 no information

it would definitely help to look at baptisms of all these children ive not seen irish baptisms it s very useful if they list grandmothers maiden name .

i.ll wait for agha to sort out paper work , your Davy matches have definitely mixed up families and have 10 siblings for Sarah

[unilove18]

Sorry rechecked notes. My fathers Baptism Actually states Moneydarraghmore for place of birth for sarah.
I was going off the census records at the beginning until i got a dna match for mary ellens grandson. my 2nd cousin. So that confirmed that. And i have another DNA match for a grandadughter of mary ellens other child. Both these 2 children where adopted. Both them sisters in belfast at the time. My father also adopted. Yes i was aware it was an orphanage

[aghadowey]

Sorry rechecked notes. My fathers Baptism Actually states Moneydarraghmore for place of birth for sarah.
I was going off the census records at the beginning until i got a dna match for mary ellens grandson. my 2nd cousin. So that confirmed that. And i have another DNA match for a grandadughter of mary ellens other child. Both these 2 children where adopted. Both them sisters in belfast at the time. My father also adopted. Yes i was aware it was an orphanage

It was brigidmas that said it was an industrial school.
Moneydaraghmore  makes much more sense. I also asked about Sarah's mother's maiden name which you said is mentioned on your father's baptism. I've never seen one which would list that detail.

Her sister Mary Ellen also had a child 1917 who was adopted and one in 1918 no information
I found one, possibly 2 children, born in Belfast. However, neither lists mother as Mary Ellen McDowell, so I'm not sure if I am missing something here.

[unilove18]

Yes it was given in the notes section. Possibly because they knew that my dad was going for adoption as ive always been told it was through the church that this happened. I think i said the name philiips to him and he said yes that would be right from what i can see in the notes. So maybe was he telling me what i wanted to hear?? To make a puzzle fit?
 Mary ellens 2 children, where doreen (25 aug 1918) and agnes anna Mcdowell (10 jun 1917), born belfast. I have a dna match for doreens son and a dna match for agnes, granddaughter

[aghadowey]

Okay, most everything fitting together nicely.

Starting with your father's mother, Sarah McDowell-
Sarah McDowell (28 Sept.1899 Moneydaraghmore)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02022/1775881.pdf (father- William McDowell, stonecutter; mother- Mary Ann Phillips)

So now her parents-
William McDowell (c1877/c1871-aft.1901), stonecutter, m.(4 Nov.1897) Mary Ann Phillips (c1880/c1877-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10469/5812560.pdf (William McDowell, stonedresser, Moneydaramore. Bride, of Ballymartin,and groom age 20)
Ballymartin is near Kilkeel which is nowhere near Belfast/Comber-
https://www.townlands.ie/down/mourne/kilkeel/ballykeel/ballymartin/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballykeel/Ballymartin/1234504/ (R.C., wife of stonecutter)
Here’s William McDowell in 1901- lodging at Clonachullion outside Newcastle- (can’t find in 1911)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bryansford/Clonachullion/1233510/
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/kilcoo/bryansford/clonachullion/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballykeel/Ballymartin/243801/
In 1911 the two older girls are ‘orphans’ in an Orphanage, not an Industrial School, run by the Sisters of Mercy-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Downpatrick/Inish_Street/237274/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002223111/
https://sistersofmercy.ie/2012/08/sisters-of-mercy-downpatrick/

[unilove18]

So this is what i have aghadowey, thank goodness im on the right track. Thought my whole tree was wrong for a minute lol.
I also have dna matches to Sarahs brother william, her sister annie (no birth found yet) and also another sister Evelyn (no birth found as yet)
Sarahs father williams birth is listed as WILLIE MADOLE

[aghadowey]

Annie's birth is possibly what you weren't expecting as her mother is listed as Phillips not McDowell-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01596/1641453.pdf (illegitimate, mother Mary Ann Phillips, sewer)
However, a younger illegitimate child is under McDowell- called Patrick Collins and his middle name may or may not be connected to his father
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01283/1531851.pdf (illegitimate, mother Mary Ann McDowell, a sewer)

[brigidmac]

well done agha so glad that ties with uni s research

why is mary ann mcdowell listed as formerly a SEWER in the last 2 baptisms
is it surname or profession
the others on page have formerly as maiden names

by the way i  noticed a babtism of  james henry mcdowell at top of page son of henry Mcdowell with Mary Margaret formerly Hanna as mother .that was 1 of the families previously researched wasnt it?

[unilove18]

oh wow no i wasnt expecting that, I assumed she was williams child!! Thanks for that one!!
Yes i have Patrick in the tree already, assumed myself collins was a nod to the father. What a life this family have led. So we def have the right people agahadowey. But how do we figure out this 2nd sarah mcdowell and where my own grandmother went after having my dad. Any suggestions?

Im assuming its her occupation brigid xx