Help with DNA match (MCDOWELL's Ballymartin)

[brigidmac]

Re reply 3 where did you get the proof of birth year from ?

Death record could be mistake by informant 1940 wedding she could have lied about her age as her husband was only* 24  b1914
She stated 30 so born ABT 1910 but if she was actually b 1899 she might not have wanted the registrar to notice .

Also she could have lied about having a father
Could she actually be daughter of a single woman step father's first name could have been used or sometimes people recorded grandfather's name .

Have you found the couple in 1911 ? Or 1939 to see what ages are given then .was your father and your matches parent born in Ballymartin too ?

Another thing worth checking is your ethnicity and compare with your cousins and your matches . The mystery birth father may have more Scottish or English or something else .

Goodnight .I.ll take another look tomorrow

[brigidmac]

I see the problem from ancestry trees
people are mixing up two sarah mcdonells

so you have a baptism but is it the right one , ? the fact that your match has a record with same birth date but different year could mean they have copied from a different document or tree

there are other topics about Sarah mcdowell i will read them first before looking for more facts
im not very good at Irish research but have a good understanding of dna results

so Sadie 1 is daughter of mary ann wife of stonemason
no sign of husband in 1901 or 1911
shes roman catholic and cant read
with mary ellen + sarah in 1901
1911 the 2 girls in industrial school (#correction orphanage there is another Mcdowell girl there too margaret age 13 ..only seen transcript might not be same family )

1911 mother mary ann had 6 children living with her are james william goerge and annie

sarah sadie 2
 is daughter of presbytarian #farmer william who is with the family and his mother in 1911 wife listed as mary 42
mary jane 14
ellen 13
sarah 11 ( one tree has married name TRAINOR ) so worth checking if your dna matches anyone with that surname
jemima 10
john 6
william robert 2

[brigidmac]

wow there are a whole lot of Sarah Mcdowells 

 your dna matches from other adoptees could easily have followed wrong ones
regarding dna matches : start with a few name searches in your shared matches to the people you believe are sarah + williams parents . look for anyone whose connections are further back

ignore the ones who may have copied names from trees but look for descendants of siblings
thats better proof of a connection .

[aghadowey]

Some of this might be easier to sort out than you think. Forget about the DNA bit for a minute and concentrate on documentation.
Starting with some questions (you may not know all the answers but don't worry and feel free to not post details you'd rather not)

What religion was your Sarah McDowell?
Do you have any documentation for your father to give his mother's residence or other details about her?

The Sarah McDowell who is your other match's grandmother-
What is her father's occupation from the 1952 marriage?
Do you know what religion she was?

I have lots more details on various possibilities but best to take things step by step.

A few things I will correct to census details brigidmac posted earlier-
"so Sadie 1 is daughter of mary ann wife of stonemason"
Mary Ann is wife of stonecutter. Daughter Sarah McDowell's birth registration also lists this as her father's occupation an her birthdate was 23 Sept.1899- birthplace Ballyhanwood matches the location of family in 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02022/1776081.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballymaglaff/Ballyhanwood/262539/ (Presbyterian)
Ballyhanwood is between Belfast & Comber-
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-lower/comber-castlereagh-lower-portion/ballymaglaff/ballyhanwood/

[unilove18]

So i know my grandmother is correct, because on my fathers baptism she lists her name and gives her mothers maiden name, age and Ballyhanwood, ballymartin, as my grandmother was unmarried. I assume this had to be given. My fathers baptism took place in belfast. In a roman catholic church. So according to census forms and my fathers baptism i believe she was roman catholic. The trail for my grandmother stops there! She was living as a boarder in belfast.
Before that Yes my grandmother and her sister mary ellen where in an orphange in 1911. Yet her
 mother was at home with other children. My great grandfather william doesnt seem to be about much, but enough to have the children. Possibly worked away alot considering he was a stonemason and the area they lived in, the mourne mountain area with many of the handbuilt walls, I think tied in well. The few close DNA matches i have all back this up that i have the correct people in my tree.

A builder and contractor William was listed as on the other sarah mcdowells marriage cert but no religion was given.

[aghadowey]

Oh boy have you gone off on the wrong track! Still searching and putting together details before I post more information which will hopefully sort out things.

[unilove18]

Oh god im afraid to ask!!!! Look forward to this next message

[brigidmac]

sorry I made my notes too fast  yes Stone cutter

so surely if sarahs mother was not married ..mothers Maiden name would have been McDowell

or Sarah would have been baptised under a different maiden name before the  mother married later
becoming known as sarah Mcdowell

[aghadowey]

A few bits to clarify-
So i know my grandmother is correct, because on my fathers baptism she lists her name and gives her mothers maiden name, age and Ballyhanwood, ballymartin, as my grandmother was unmarried.
Sarah's mother's maiden name?
Ballyhanwood and Ballymartin are 2 entirely different places (more on both later)

Before that Yes my grandmother and her sister mary ellen where in an orphange in 1911. Yet her mother was at home with other children.
Do you know that your grandmother Sarah McDowell had a sister Mary Ellen or is this merely based on the census records?
Note: it was orphanage run by Sisters of Mercy in Downpatrick not an industrial school.