Brick Wall: My G-G-Grandfather William Brown (Scotland, England)

[jbrowntoros]

As he was a plate layer in 1891 and crippled in 1892, I had a look for any reports of railway accidents in Lancashire in 1892. The only mention of a William Brown, plate layer, that I could see is a report in the Fleetwood Chronicle of 30-12-1892: "about seven o'clock on the morning of Christmas Day, a plate layer named William Brown, of Cleveleys, whilst proceeding up the line, made a horrifying discovery, ..." He found a body on the line.

Yes I have come across this before too; Cleveleys is close to Fleetwood and a long way from Leigh and I'm guessing this William is not my William.

[jbrowntoros]

William shows up in England in 1891, in the household with my g-g-grandmother Sarah Jane (nee Isherwood, first/only legal marriage to a Crowther).

Does this mean you have their marriage certificate?

Colin

Yes I do; the information on it is summarised here

John Crowther 23 year old Bachelor and Stone Quarryman, and son of Thomas Crowther (Coal Miner) married Sarah Jane Isherwood, a 22 year old Spinster and Cotton Rover, and daughter of John Isherwood (deceased Coal Miner) in on 20 June 1883 in Haslingden, Lancashire, England.

William and Sarah never legally married.

[jbrowntoros]

Sarah Isherwood married Frederick Crowther Dec qtr 1871

However - her birthyear in 1891 is 1860 so that doesn't tie up.  2 of the children shown as Brown in 1891 are actually surname Crowther

Ellen Crowther 1884 mmn Isherwood - Haslingden
Albert Isherwood Crowther 1887

Son Henry b 1889 was registered as Brown

This is all correct except for the marriage in the top line.  Her marriage to a John Crowther details are in the post above this one.

[jbrowntoros]

Carole beat me to it but I will post anyway.

I guess from the birth registrations below, William & Sarah may not have been married?

1891 Billinge, Ashton, Lancashire
William Brown   38   Head   Morecambe
Sarah J Brown   31   Wife   Bury, Lancashire
Ellen J Brown   7   Daughter   Haslingden Lancashire
Albert Brown   3   Son   Ditto
Henry Brown   2   Son   Salford, Lancashire

When Henry married in 1913, father not noted.
When Elizabeth Brown married 1917 father William Labourer, not noted as deceased.

Births Mar 1884   
CROWTHER    Ellen        Haslingden    8e   140

Births Dec 1887   
Crowther    Albert Isherwood        Haslingden    8e   132

BROWN, HENRY       ISHERWOOD 
GRO Reference: 1889  J Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 177

Colin

Yes this is the household and you are correct that William and Sarah never legally married.

[jbrowntoros]

Apologies for such late replies.  I'm new here and thought, based on experiences in other forums, that I would receive email notifications when replies are given to my post topics. Lesson learned!

[wivenhoe]

Is this your Elizabeth BROWN marrying Harry CROMPTON, 1917?

George BROWN, labourer, is hardly an unusual name, but Maggie CROPMTON?

Lancashire OPC   https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

28 May 1917 St James, Gorton, Lancashire, England
BROWN William 26y, Boiler Maker, bachelor, 65 Taylor St.
Father: BROWN William, Labourer

BRAZENDALE Louie Beardmore 20y, Winder, Spinster, 12 Holly St.
Father: BRAZENDALE Edward James, rail fitter   

Witness: John Hine BRAZENDALE   Maggie CROMPTON


10 Nov 1917 St Thomas, Golborne, Lancashire, England
CROMPTON Harry  25y, Coal Miner, bachelor, 49 Wigan Rd, Ashton in Makerfield
Father:    CROMPTON Henry , Engine Maker

Elizabeth BROWN  22y, spinster, Edge Green Golborne
Father:    BROWN William, Labourer   
   
Witness: George SUDWORTH   Maggie CROMPTON

[wivenhoe]

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

FreeBDM
JunQ 1883  Haslingden   Vol  8e  Page 220
ISHERWOOD Sarah Jane      x   CROWTHER  John

[bbart]

Apologies for such late replies.  I'm new here and thought, based on experiences in other forums, that I would receive email notifications when replies are given to my post topics. Lesson learned!

It is usually set by default, but stuff happens.  You're broken!
You can turn it on from the brown bar up top ...go to Profile >Account Settings
On left menu, choose: Modify Profile --> Email Notifications

[jbrowntoros]

Is this your Elizabeth BROWN marrying Harry CROMPTON, 1917?

George BROWN, labourer, is hardly an unusual name, but Maggie CROPMTON?

Lancashire OPC   https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

28 May 1917 St James, Gorton, Lancashire, England
BROWN William 26y, Boiler Maker, bachelor, 65 Taylor St.
Father: BROWN William, Labourer

BRAZENDALE Louie Beardmore 20y, Winder, Spinster, 12 Holly St.
Father: BRAZENDALE Edward James, rail fitter   

Witness: John Hine BRAZENDALE   Maggie CROMPTON


10 Nov 1917 St Thomas, Golborne, Lancashire, England
CROMPTON Harry  25y, Coal Miner, bachelor, 49 Wigan Rd, Ashton in Makerfield
Father:    CROMPTON Henry , Engine Maker

Elizabeth BROWN  22y, spinster, Edge Green Golborne
Father:    BROWN William, Labourer   
   
Witness: George SUDWORTH   Maggie CROMPTON

Hi, yep that's her.  I have one or two Cromptons in my DNA matches but haven't been able to proceed despite that.

The Gorton marriage are not connected. William and Sarah's three children together were Henry, Robert and Elizabeth.