Author Topic: Help deciphering a name  (Read 28012 times)

Offline MonicaL

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 32,650
  • Girl with firewood, Morar 1910 - MEM Donaldson
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #27 on: Monday 24 October 22 20:51 BST (UK) »
Someone has a brief family tree for Adelaide Howard with these details:

Adelaide Ellen Howard
1892–1919

Birth 20 JUN 1892 Bowden, South Australia, Australia
Death 2 JUL 1919 Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand

Monica
Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline MonicaL

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 32,650
  • Girl with firewood, Morar 1910 - MEM Donaldson
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #28 on: Monday 24 October 22 21:17 BST (UK) »

Musician Frank Rivier attested in the New Zealand Expeditionary Force at Invercargill, 17th August 1914. He had already served 3 years in the 2nd Life Guards. His overseas service lasted 331 days from 16th October 1914 to 11th September 1915. He was discharged with a ruptured hernia September 1915 having returned to N.Z. on the S.S. Tahiti.

It appears he re-enlisted, despite being declared permanently unfit, in October 1917 into the Military Police and served 108 in that unit being finally discharged 28th March 1918.

Frank Rivier, born in London, 25th July 1892, died in Auckland 19th May 1969, his next of kin, Mrs Rivier, living at Arawa Street, Orakei.


www.medalsandmemorabilia.com/product/nz-infantry-gallipoli-landings-medal-group/


I keep on going back to this short bio of Frank Rivierr's military life.

Timing fits well with what we are building up for Dennis Corri...

Dennis's attested with the 2nd Life Guards on 2 April 1909. See, from the notes above for Frank Rivier, we have a further ref to this regiment: He had already served 3 years in the 2nd Life Guards. Again, timings would work.

Did Dennis change his identity in NZ? The big question is of course why? What happened in his life to make him take this action? Speculation for now isn't it  ;D

Monica

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Revolution

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 768
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 01:25 BST (UK) »
Just fascinating! Thank you



McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

Offline Revolution

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 768
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 25 October 22 23:31 BST (UK) »
Howard Reynolds Adcock changed his name to Eric Stratton via Deed Poll after 1954. His birth 24 November 1917.

Eric died in 1982.

What does the DNA show? At this stage not one Adcock family member and not one Howard family or any Goring family members.

One scenario is that the Adcocks adopted him shortly before Adelaide died.
Another is that no Adcocks or closer cousins have DNA tested
Some of the matches dont have family trees and are low level matches and I havent yet found a link

McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick


Offline MonicaL

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 32,650
  • Girl with firewood, Morar 1910 - MEM Donaldson
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 26 October 22 20:39 BST (UK) »
Understand better the reference to surnames Howard and Goring from here https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/5h38/howard-mabel-bowden

So it was Mabel's sister, Adelaide, who married George Henry Adcock in 1911 and potentially adopted Howard (Eric) prior to her death in 1919.

With the birth date you have for Howard Adcock aka Eric Stratton in November 1917, this would be the year after Frank Riviers married Beatrice Milne.

Monica
Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline MonicaL

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 32,650
  • Girl with firewood, Morar 1910 - MEM Donaldson
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 26 October 22 21:27 BST (UK) »
I am not confident when researching in NZ as it is not something I do often  ;D So, from the birth index you posted earlier (adding here too), I am right to guess that the birth index has been amended to show the change of name by deed poll, from Howard to Eric?

What does the reference for this entry mean do you think? 1918/5242, what does this mean I wonder. Is this linked to Howard/Eric's original birth entry under whatever name? Although, you search for Howard Adcock, it is the entry with Eric that shows.

Have you considered ordering this cert to see what shows on this?

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Revolution

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 768
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 26 October 22 21:41 BST (UK) »
My cousin who is significantly better than I am with genealogical research sent me the following.

He has changed his name to Eric Stratton.

His death is registered as Eric Stratton in 1982/ 30523 – with DOB 24 Nov 1917

 The microfiche for the births 1918 shows the following

ADCOCK Howard Reynolds Folio 1255

Underneath in hand writing is: STRATTON Eric, Folio 1255

Folio 1255 is Linwood Christchurch, March Qtr which would tie in with date of birth of 24 Nov 1917

I have looked at the name of Stratton on the birth indexes and very interesting is his name of Eric Stratton is written in handwriting, and guess what in the side is a D.P. – standing for Deed Poll

So now we know he did it himself via Deed Poll.

Re the certificate. Not yet.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

Offline rodgepodge

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 75
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 26 October 22 23:47 BST (UK) »

Musician Frank Rivier attested in the New Zealand Expeditionary Force at Invercargill, 17th August 1914. He had already served 3 years in the 2nd Life Guards. His overseas service lasted 331 days from 16th October 1914 to 11th September 1915. He was discharged with a ruptured hernia September 1915 having returned to N.Z. on the S.S. Tahiti.

It appears he re-enlisted, despite being declared permanently unfit, in October 1917 into the Military Police and served 108 in that unit being finally discharged 28th March 1918.

Frank Rivier, born in London, 25th July 1892, died in Auckland 19th May 1969, his next of kin, Mrs Rivier, living at Arawa Street, Orakei.


www.medalsandmemorabilia.com/product/nz-infantry-gallipoli-landings-medal-group/


I keep on going back to this short bio of Frank Rivierr's military life.

Timing fits well with what we are building up for Dennis Corri...

Dennis's attested with the 2nd Life Guards on 2 April 1909. See, from the notes above for Frank Rivier, we have a further ref to this regiment: He had already served 3 years in the 2nd Life Guards. Again, timings would work.

Did Dennis change his identity in NZ? The big question is of course why? What happened in his life to make him take this action? Speculation for now isn't it  ;D

Monica

Dennis Corri lasted a mere 242 days : 2 Apr 1909 - 30 November 1909 with a note in his record 'Unsuitable for the Household Cavalry' . The following year, August 1910 he headed for Seattle crossing the Border at St Albans Canada. Rivier a French sounding name. Did he come across the name there?

Offline Revolution

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 768
    • View Profile
Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #35 on: Monday 31 October 22 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Francis marriage certificate was just emailed to me

Francis Rivier age 23 Pianist -son of Eugene Rivier - stockbroker and Edna River (Adendoph)

Marriage dissolved 26 May 1938
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick