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Offline MonicaL

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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 October 22 18:43 BST (UK) »
Birth date also showing here:

Musician Frank Rivier attested in the New Zealand Expeditionary Force at Invercargill, 17th August 1914. He had already served 3 years in the 2nd Life Guards. His overseas service lasted 331 days from 16th October 1914 to 11th September 1915. He was discharged with a ruptured hernia September 1915 having returned to N.Z. on the S.S. Tahiti.

It appears he re-enlisted, despite being declared permanently unfit, in October 1917 into the Military Police and served 108 in that unit being finally discharged 28th March 1918.

Frank Rivier, born in London, 25th July 1892, died in Auckland 19th May 1969, his next of kin, Mrs Rivier, living at Arawa Street, Orakei.


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Note on his records showed birth month as February rather than July.

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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 October 22 19:34 BST (UK) »
There is a family called La Riviere at Prittlewell, same place as Eugene was in 1911, which seems a bit of a coincidence.

They have a son Frank Gerald too, of about the right age, who seems to have got into a spot of bother when he was 20, and served a prison term. He seems to have gone to Australia and called himself Gerald Riviere when he married there in 1916. This Francis Gerald was born 6  Aug 1893, according to the death registration back in the UK. This fits with his birth registration in England.
Could someone have stolen his name and gone on to New Zealand, but perhaps used their own date of birth? New Zealand Frank seems unsure of his birth year, varies from 1890 to 1892 from attestation docs, but  the date seems to stay the same.Or could there be a case of bigamy? Or is it just a massive coincidence?
It would be interesting to see if there are any DNA links to the La Riviere family.

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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 23 October 22 21:09 BST (UK) »
Interesting possibilities there  :)

Wonder if Frank's marriage cert includes anything definitive.

Certainly there is a connection to Throgmorton Street and Eugene Corri in the right time frame www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-king-of-boxing-referees/ Can't yet find a listing showing the street number for his firm as 6 Throgmorton Street but the street is correct.



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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 23 October 22 21:25 BST (UK) »
Many thanks everyone!

DNA matches to the Hussey family (50cM) -could be coincidence but hes a descendant of Wm Hayter Hussey

My cousin is related to me through his mums side. Hes in his 70s and was told some fascinating stories by his father who I think was an illegitimate son of Frank Rivier.

My cousins father told him many stories. He changed his name at least once - possibly from Howard Adcock to Howard Stratton. He told his son to NEVER to go Melbourne and his son who lives in Queensland after moving from New Zealand has never gone there. His father knew a New Zealand politician Mabel Howard. His father had an argument with Mabel and she never came to the house again.

When passports started between Australia and NZ his father had to change his name to Stratton from whatever it was previously.
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick


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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 23 October 22 21:57 BST (UK) »
No DNA matches to the La Rivier family.

My cousin hasnt purchased the marriage as he knew nothing about this line

113cM DNA match to Tom Haydn Corri Brown descendant but only a 13 cM to a Corri family shared with another descendant of Frank Rivier
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 23 October 22 22:04 BST (UK) »
William Hayter Hussey was the paternal grandfather of Madeline Sidney Hussey, first wife of Eugene Corri.

William Hayter Hussey and wife Sarah Ann Hill had at least 5 children. One of them, Henry James nesbit Hussey, was Madeline's father.

So there we have a ref to the Hussey family and Eugene Corri being described as Uncle potentially. However, I think Madeline only seems to have had one sister, Marian Rosamond Nesbitt Hussey b. 1876. Too young you would think to be mother to Francis.

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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 23 October 22 22:07 BST (UK) »
Ive just purchased the marriage of Frank to Beatrice Milne
McGaveston - Dublin-Ireland, France, New Zealand
White - Shalden, Alton, Chawton-Hampshire
O'Donnell - New Zealand, Co Down-Northern Ireland, USA
Franklin/Fraenkel - New Zealand, Prussia
Day - Echuca, Tongala, London, Fairford-Gloucestershire
Clark/McGraw - New Zealand, Ireland, England
McMahon -Ipswich-QLD, Kiladysart-Co Clare
Smith - Ipswich, Pine Mountain, Redbank-QLD, Co Westmeath, Co Cavan-Ireland
McGuire - Redbank - QLD, Co Westmeath-Ireland
Culhane - Queensland, Ardlaghan - Co Limerick

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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 23 October 22 22:08 BST (UK) »
Good plan  ;)

Marion Rosamond Hussey, spinster aged 21, married in London in 1897 to Charles Brandon. Eugene Corri was a witness to the marriage.

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Re: Help deciphering a name
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 23 October 22 22:45 BST (UK) »
Were your cousin's parents married? This would help you with working out names. I can't see an early NZ ref to a Howard Adcock. There is one for a Harold Adcock, with a marriage in 1930 (bride's maiden name Sangster).

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