Elizabeth Hilton b1872 in Ince

[wivenhoe]

From reply #19 -

"1891 census ref 3058 71A 41 (on Findmy past transcribed as surname Willton) and living at 94 Platt Lane Hindley as per marriage address of Elizabeth."

Can you please describe the family you see at 94 Platt Lane....names....ages....birthplaces please.

[Tall Al]

Hi,

A further thought about the 1881 censuses referred to - these show there are 3 Elizabeth Hiltons in the immediate area -

My thoughts are as follows -

At Hindley - daughter of John and Hannah - she married William Wright 1896 at St Peters Church Hindley
At Ince - daughter of John and Susannah - married James Johnson 1894 at St Georges Church Wigan - both bride and groom address shown as Whelley (about 1 mile from Ince) so it looks like she had left home, and they were living together pre marriage at that time.
At Pemberton - daughter of John and Elizabeth - this one is still single in 1901 age 28 and still at home with her parents.

Ancestry always makes various "suggestions" for them all but when you follow them through some are right but also many of their suggestions are wrong.

Alan

[Tall Al]

Hi,

It might be more readable on "Find My Past" but on Ancestry it is very faint, and I don't have a Find My Past subscription.

However, you can just about read the address and Elizabeths age 19 - Lancashire Hindley, All, District 10, Page 42 of 49.

Have a look and see if you can decipher it.

Alan

[softly softly]

Fisherman, firstly I appreciate all your comments you have posted, and can see why you need to be fully convinced of what I and other's have posted in reply.

The "2" 1891 census record's do record both Elizabeth's at separate addresses with their respective parents.

You know "your" Elizabeth born 1871 was born in "Ince" the daughter of John and Susannah.

The "2" Elizabeth's by 1901 census are both married, and appear with respective husbands.

1. Elizabeth Wright born "Hindley"
2. Elizabeth Johnson born "Ince"

by 1911 census

1 Elizabeth Wright is with 3 children but no William James Wright
2 Elizabeth Johnson is with James and 4 children.

I do not feel I can add any more "ideas" to your post and wish you well in your research,

John

[the fisherman]

johnhood, Tall Al, wivenhoe, It will take me a couple of days to get my head round all that information and try to find someone who has access to Find My Past.
wivenhoe, here is the information from the marriage certificate.
Marriage at St. Patricks Church in the district of Wigan on 4th November 1867.
John Hilton aged 22 years, bachelor, coal miner, Petticoat Lane, Ince in Makerfield. Father John Hilton, coal miner.
Susanna Unsworth aged 21 years, spinster, cotton factory worker, Petticoat Lane Ince in Makerfield. Father William Unsworth, coal miner.
In the presence of, the mark of Rueben Townall (the first letter of the surname looks like a "T")
In the presence of, the mark of Mary Unsworth.
James Jolley Registrar.

[wivenhoe]

If you do not already have it, I think you need to see this marriage certificate.


FreeBDM  DecQ  1914
GORE Ann    marr  HILTON   Thomas        Wigan   Vol 8c   page 152   

[Tall Al]

Hi,

Just to reinforce the situation -

1901 census at 16 Lord Street. Hindley are -

Wm Jas Wright age 29 Mill Worker born Wigan
Elizabeth Wright wife age 29 born Hindley
Hannah Wright daughter age 1 born Hindley (presumably named after Elizabeth's mother Hannah) 

AND at Stank Lane Whiston -

James Johnson age 30 Coal Miner born Ince
Elizabeth Johnson wife age 29 born Ince
Alice Johnson daughter age 6 born Ince
William Johnson son age 1 born Whiston

Alan

[the fisherman]

wivenhoe,   I must be a right idiot because all I can see when I go to the vol and page numbers you have quoted is a whole sheet of different marriages. There is an entry under "Names of Persons Married" for Hilton Thomas and Gore and under District it says Wigan and then the same vol and page numbers that you have quoted, but I can't find a way to view a marriage certificate. How do I get to see it please.

Tall Al   Thanks I will go and check that information.

the fisherman

[wivenhoe]

The page you are seeing at FreeBDM is an index of marriages, as recorded by the government, for each quarter  of the year.

You need to buy an image of the marriage record, which will be posted to you.

At this site -
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

You create an account for yourself. Then you log in, and identify the event....marriage....and reference details.....names .........place...year...quarter.....