Elizabeth Hilton b1872 in Ince

[CaroleW]

That 1939 birthdate does not match a birth registration in December qtr 1871 with mmn Unsworth.

[softly softly]

the fisherman, other's may want to check out but the Elizabeth Hilton who married William James Wright is NOT the daughter of John Hilton & Susanna Unsworth.

Her parents are John Hilton & Hannah Hotchkiss/Hutchkiss. They married mq 1869 Wigan and had the following children:

Esther 1869
Elizabeth 1871

HILTON, ELIZABETH       mmn HUTCHKISS  (this allows for dob 14.7.1871 as per 1939 register )
GRO Reference: 1871  S Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 71

Annie  1873
William 1875
Emily 1877
John 1880
William 1882

John & Hannah appear in 1871/1881.

Hannah died dq 1882 aged 34 in Wigan.

John remarried Mary Oakes mq 1883 Wigan.

1891 census ref 3058 71A 41 (on Findmy past transcribed as surname Willton) and living at 94 Platt Lane Hindley as per marriage address of Elizabeth.

Strongly believe "your" Elizabeth married James Johnson 3.2.1894 in Wigan.

John

[the fisherman]

 amondg.   Thank you for the information about how you found the children although I am no wiser as to what the GRO index means. You ask who my grandfather is. I don't have his marriage certificate to quote who his father is but I have his death certificate. Thomas Hilton b1892 at 74, Petticoat Lane, Ince, d1972 at 9, Engineer St. Ince. I do have the marriage certificate of his parents, John Hilton and Susannah Unsworth. Married 4th Nov 1867 at St. Patrick's, Wigan. John was 22 and Susannah was 21. Both resided in Petticoat Lane, Ince. Both fathers, John Hilton and William Unsworth were miners.
 wivenhoe,  Thank you for that marriage, I will follow that up.
 Tall Al, those deaths are correct, Susannah Hilton and her son John Willie and I believe her father William Unsworth are all buried together in the one grave. There is also a two day old son of my grandparents Thomas and Ann Hilton in the same grave. John Willie died in a mining accident at what I believe is the Spring Pit in Hindley. I have a report of the inquest from the Wigan Examiner dated 20th Jan 1906. The cemetery index's for Wigan, Ince, and Hindley are available on the "Wiganworld" website.
 johnhood  Those three names are in my family tree.Thomas was my grandfather and Joseph and John Willie were his two brothers. See my answer to amondg for your other answers. Thank you for the information as to how you found Emily. Also for your info that the Elizabeth Hilton who married William James Wright is not John Hilton and Susannah Unsworths daughter. Must check on the possible marriage to James Johnson in 1894.
CaroleW  The person who is helping me with my family tree and has access to Ancestry came up with that marriage. I did say in my request for help with my family tree  " If I am correct........". It looks like I might not be correct.

[amondg]

GRO is the General Registry Office Index it is free but you do have to register. It gives the mother's maiden name prior to 1910

[softly softly]

Fisherman, Info only,

Having followed your grandfather Thomas Hilton born 25.4.1892. Can confirm his parents John & Susannah were at 74, Petticoat Lane on the 1891 & at 213 Manchester Road, Ince in 1901 census, John the father with his new wife Mary. Thomas went on to marry as you will know Ann Gore in 1914 and had 5 children between 1915-1927. He appears with Ann in 1939 war register with 4 of his children, the son who died being John 1924-24.

On a precautionary note do not follow the ancestral trees on Ancestry as they are incorrect.

With regard to Elizabeth Hilton 1871 who married James Johnson, by 1911 they had had 6 children, 2 died 4 living.

James and Elizabeth appear together in 1921 census in Wigan, one son being John.

JOHNSON, JAMES       HILTON 
GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in WIGAN  Volume 08C  Page 85

In 1939 war register Elizabeth is with her son James and his wife (Ann Cockburn) married 1933 Wigan.

Elizabeth died aged 79 as below.

Death  Edited as per post from tall al below
   
James her husband died between 1921-39. Possible death below

Deaths Sep 1928   
Johnson    James   age  57    Wigan    8c   97

John

[Tall Al]

Hi,

The latest information from john looks very promising indeed.

Two things arising - Elizabeth's death looks to me like June Qtr 1941 age 69 in the Biggleswade District Vol 3b Page 836 (not Bedford as suggested age 79 in 1942) and a date of birth as 8 November 1871 which fits the bill.

James (husband) could have died Sept Qtr 1928 age 57 Wigan District Vol 8c Page 97 - Lancs BMD show this to be in Orrel sub district.

Alan

[the fisherman]

johnhood, the 1881 census shows two Elizabeth Hiltons, one b1871 in Ince, the other b1872 in Pemberton. Ancestry gives clues to help find your ancestors in other situations, ie Suggested Marriages. Both of these Elizabeths are given as marrying the same person, James Johnson.
  I have a copy of the record from St Peter marriage register for the Elizabeth born in Ince and she married William James Wright on 29th Feb 1896.

amondg  Thank you for explaining what the GRO index is.

the fisherman

[wivenhoe]

"I do have the marriage certificate of his parents, John Hilton and Susannah Unsworth. Married 4th Nov 1867 at St. Patrick's, Wigan."

Can you list all the information on the certificate please.....everything please.

How have you identified them to be the parents of your grandfather Thomas HILTON, died 1972?

My addition -

FreeBDM  death   Ince Vol 10c  page 1106
HILTON Thomas   born 25 Apr 1892  died JunQ 1972   

[Tall Al]

Hi

It is very confusing when you have the same names cropping up but in order to seek clarity look at the 1891 censuses and marriage certificates in 1894 and 1896.

Firstly the 1891 census shows Elizabeth (daughter of John and Susannah) is living with her parents at 74 Petticoat Lane, and whilst the 1891 census for Elizabeth (daughter of John and Hannah) is very hard to read - she is living at 94 Platt Lane.

The 1894 marriage of Elizabeth to James Johnson (a Collier) on 3 February shows her age 22 - Father John Hilton a Collier, her address at the time showing as Whelley.

The 1896 marriage on 29 February shows that Elizabeth age 24 as living at 94 Platt Lane - She married William James Wright (a Mill Worker) so it is logical to say that her parents were John and Hannah and not the daughter of John and Susannah.

Also, the birth date of John and Susannah's Elizabeth (mother's maiden name Unsworth)) was Dec Otr 1871 and this does not match up with the Elizabeth that married William Wright.

There are 10 or more Elizabeth Hilton marriages in and around the Wigan area (see Lancs BMD) between 1890 and 1900 and there is no guarantee that we have found the right one yet but to my mind the marriage to James Johnson looks very promising.

You may need to buy some birth and marriage certificates to rule out other possibilities.

Alan