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Offline NicVog

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Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« on: Tuesday 18 October 22 04:57 BST (UK) »
Hello. Specifically asking about Ireland in the 1890s.
When a married woman died and it was recorded in civil records, would they record her by her birth/maiden name? Or upon marrying would a woman be known only by her married name on official documents, including on her death certificate?

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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 05:07 BST (UK) »
I have seen both instances - Married name  - James V James and James v Anderson. Although married it was common to retain own name.

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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 05:19 BST (UK) »
Ah,thank you, Jack! If I'm reading you right, regarding
"James V James and James v Anderson"
Are you saying it would include both names, like "married name, formerly 'maiden name'" or would a woman who had died be recorded simply by her birth name in her death record with no reference to her married name?

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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 05:26 BST (UK) »
Who gave the information?
Could she have been living separately from her husband and using her 'own' name, so that was what people knew her as?
I think it would be unusual for a married woman who died while still living with her husband/family to not have been recorded under his name.
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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 06:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks, D1850! I was wondering particularly in the case of widows, but I guess you're right it depended on who was giving the information.

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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 06:56 BST (UK) »
Nic,  in Ireland and Scotland at certain times the wife kept her own name. Using my above analogy - John James married Vera Anderson. There goes Vera Anderson wife of John James. Can you give us your scenario so we can see the text in which we are dealing?

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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 06:57 BST (UK) »
Depends on where the death was?

Here, on the Isle of Man, a married woman who dies is often recorded with both married and maiden names.
E.G. Smith als (alias) Jones.
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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 07:22 BST (UK) »

... Specifically asking about Ireland in the 1890s.


My experience is that the married name was the norm.  I have encountered a couple of instances where a death was registered under a woman's maiden name and she was described as a spinster - which I knew to the contrary - in those few instances, she was widowed young, didn't remarry and died at a ripe age.  But no, my experience is married name.


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Re: Would a death record use a woman's maiden name?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 18 October 22 10:20 BST (UK) »
I appreciate that you are enquiring about Ireland, but there were the "Ulster Scots". And in Scotland, a woman was known by her maiden name. She might change her marital status and her husband, but she kept her name. 

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