Author Topic: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)  (Read 1241 times)

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Re: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 05 June 25 00:48 BST (UK) »
Wexford. The groom's residence is shown as Irlath Anglia [i.e. Irelath in England], so that may have also contributed to the need for the special permission.
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Re: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 05 June 25 00:54 BST (UK) »
Wexford. The groom's residence is shown as Irlath Anglia [i.e. Irelath in England], so that may have also contributed to the need for the special permission.
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There is no mention of England. Instead there is very clearly the Latin word "vaga".
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 05 June 25 01:30 BST (UK) »
Sorry, my reply was rather unclear - I wasn't just referring to what was contained in the final column.
I mention earlier in the post that I was looking at the second marriage (Whelan/Doyle) on the page - it's in the groom's residence column that it states Irlath in Anglia.
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Re: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 05 June 25 02:17 BST (UK) »
Sorry, my reply was rather unclear - I wasn't just referring to what was contained in the final column.
I mention earlier in the post that I was looking at the second marriage (Whelan/Doyle) on the page - it's in the groom's residence column that it states Irlath in Anglia.
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Yes. But that can't be the whole story, given the entry in the final column - which is for that same marriage. One or other party is "vaga" - that is itinerant. Which conflicts with the fact that addresses are given in the other section.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 05 June 25 07:56 BST (UK) »
The final column refers to ‘Spousa’ which is feminine and therefore it seems that the bride was of no fixed abode.

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The civil record describes her as a servant with residence as Blackrock.
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Re: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 05 June 25 23:52 BST (UK) »
The final column refers to ‘Spousa’ which is feminine and therefore it seems that the bride was of no fixed abode.

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The civil record describes her as a servant with residence as Blackrock.

Agree. I wonder if she had left her employment and being a servant was what she usually did?

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Re: Placename on Booterstown register (Dublin area)
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 07 June 25 05:48 BST (UK) »
Extract from “Betrothment and Marriage, A Canonical And Theological Treatise With Notices On  History And Civil Law,
by Canon De Smet, S. T. L. Professor of theology in the Grand Seminar de Bruges. 1912.

“… Place of publication [of banns]: The publication ought to be made in the parish in which each of the parties has a domicile or quasi-domicile. For vagi (those who have no domicile or quasi-domicile), the publication takes place in the parish in which they happen to be actually residing. This first rule follows from the purpose of the law, and from the terms employed by the Council of Trent, which enjoins that the publication of the banns should be made by the particular parish priest of the contracting parties. On the same grounds the banns of those, whose domicile or quasi-domicile is in different parishes, must be published in their respective parishes ; and if one or the other has two domiciles, or a domicile and a quasi-domicile, then the publication must be made in all these different places. It sometimes happens that strict observance of the law would lead to utterly useless publication. In such a case we cannot say that the law lapses, as we shall show later, but there is then good reason to ask for a dispensation, or for the Bishop to make some special provision. It happens thus, for example, when the engaged parties have very recently acquired a new domicile or quasi-domicile ; or when their legal domicile is a place where they are quite unknown and have never resided ; the same may be said with regard to vagi who make a merely momentary stay in a place. ...”

My interest in the Priest's notation in the marriage entry was to see it it raised any new matters of genealogical relevance to me e.g. other marriages, close familial relationships etc. I'm now satisfied that's not the case.
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