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Offline BristolClark

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Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« on: Saturday 01 October 22 14:45 BST (UK) »
As the title suggests, there is a potential DNA connection that works out spot on paper trail wise. The only part that has me being hesitant to believe both the paper trail and the DNA connection is the inclusion of two children with the same names whilst both are still alive.

eg: Richard married Sarah and named their 3rd child Elizabeth b.1738 - d.1791.

Sarah dies and Richard remarries to a Hester and eventually has another child (9th) named Elizabeth b.1752.

Was this a thing that happened? I've never seen it happen before.

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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 October 22 14:59 BST (UK) »
I have a woman giving her children the same names during her second marriage, but of course the surnames were different.

The children in your case would have the same forename but different mothers. I don't know if this is allowed.

John Patrick McEnroe has a full brother named Patrick John, tht's allowed.



Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs <br />Hancox - Warks<br />Green - Warks<br />Draper - Warks<br />Lynes - Warks<br />Hudson - Warks<br />Morris - Denbs Mont Salop <br />Davies - Cheshire, North Wales<br />Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire<br />Owens - Cheshire/North Wales<br />Hicks - Cornwall<br />Lloyd and Jones (Mont)<br />Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 October 22 15:57 BST (UK) »
I have the same within 2 years of each other and same parents , I can only assume he might have been inebriated when registering  his second daughter, about 1900

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Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 October 22 16:14 BST (UK) »
  The first Elizabeth was 14 when the second was born, and may even have left home. She may have been known as Lizzie, Liza, Beth or another name altogether. The second wife may have had family reasons for wanting the name. Just random thoughts!
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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 October 22 16:18 BST (UK) »
  The first Elizabeth was 14 when the second was born, and may even have left home. She may have been known as Lizzie, Liza, Beth or another name altogether. The second wife may have had family reasons for wanting the name. Just random thoughts!

Yes, you get a lot of this. One family had both an Elizabeth and an Eliza, must have assumed they were different names. Anoth5r family had a Mary Elizabeth (known as Bessie) a Mary Ann Martha and then an Ann Eliza, both known by their first forenames.
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs <br />Hancox - Warks<br />Green - Warks<br />Draper - Warks<br />Lynes - Warks<br />Hudson - Warks<br />Morris - Denbs Mont Salop <br />Davies - Cheshire, North Wales<br />Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire<br />Owens - Cheshire/North Wales<br />Hicks - Cornwall<br />Lloyd and Jones (Mont)<br />Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 October 22 16:35 BST (UK) »
I've come across this several times where a husband and wife give same Christian names to 2 different children because the name seemed to be special to them in some way. Not common now but can't think why it wouldn't be allowed.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 October 22 16:41 BST (UK) »
  I forgot Bessie! I have a family with Maria, Mary Ann and Mary Lucy, in the 1830s.
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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 October 22 17:21 BST (UK) »
I have a woman giving her children the same names during her second marriage, but of course the surnames were different.


I have a woman who named her eldest 2 sons after her father. First was illegitimate, born when she was 17/18 and was brought up by his grandma. Second was 10 years later, elder child of her marriage, so a different surname. I suspect that her husband's family accepted the fiction that her eldest son was her brother.
My GGM and her youngest sister were both named Elizabeth. GGM was known by her first and middle name. Younger sister had only 1 name. Another sister was Mary Ann but was known as Sarah. I've noticed other families on censuses who had 2 daughters with variations of Elizabeth. 
A family with 10 daughters named one Mary and the youngest one Maria. Baby Maria died within a week of her baptism.
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Re: Naming two children the same name whilst both alive.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 October 22 18:11 BST (UK) »
A post on the US board this week was about a family with two Lydias:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=866240.0

and I have met someone locally (NE United States) who has the same first name as his brother - same father, different mothers.