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Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 October 22 17:43 BST (UK) »

 Thaddeus (or Thadeus) was born circa 1820.  His daughter, Brigida, was baptized (not born) on 21 June 1853.  His wife was Anna Lenaghan (also spelt Lenahan).  I tried attaching the baptismal register but it's too large of an upload.  In that register you can also see that an Anna Waters was baptized and her mother was a Gillen (Margaret I think - the handwriting was too indistinct) and the Godmother was an Anna Gillen. 

Link to Bridget Gillon's baptism
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633949#page/60/mode/1up
Sponsors Michael Lenaghan, Catherine Waters.
When was Anna Waters' baptism?
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Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 01 October 22 17:52 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for my Great-great grandfather Luke Gillen.  I'm not entirely sure where in Ireland he's from suffice to say he was born about 1825.  I've recently uncovered a relative, Thaddeus Gillen, from Drumcliffe Parish, County Sligo, born on 21 June 1853.  Which may or may not point to where my GGGF Luke Gillen came from.


What definite information do you have about Luke Gillen?
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Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 01 October 22 21:09 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for my Great-great grandfather Luke Gillen.  I'm not entirely sure where in Ireland he's from suffice to say he was born about 1825.  I've recently uncovered a relative, Thaddeus Gillen, from Drumcliffe Parish, County Sligo, born on 21 June 1853.  Which may or may not point to where my GGGF Luke Gillen came from.


What definite information do you have about Luke Gillen?

Honestly, my definitive information is pretty scant.  I know that he was married to Bridget Burns in November of 1844 in the United States, specifically New York City, but on the Ireland side I have nothing.  Looking at my genetic makeup there's an interesting development as in I may be more English (United Kingdom, specifically Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) than Irish (39% vs 17%).  My father's lineage was more Scottish than Irish but again that may do more to confuse the search than bring anything into more specific relief.

Coincidentally Luke's wife, Bridget Burns arrived in 1842 from Northern Ireland.  I've always wondered if Luke and Bridget or their families may have known each other in Ireland.    Nothing I've uncovered so far indicates they did but it's a thought.

Name          Bridget Burns
Age   18
Birth Date           1824
Departure Port   Newry, Northern Ireland
Arrival Date   5 Jul 1842
Arrival Port   New York, New York, USA
Ship Name           Amelia

Thank you for taking the time to aid in my search.

Best regards,

Mark Gillen

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Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 02 October 22 14:19 BST (UK) »

Honestly, my definitive information is pretty scant.  I know that he was married to Bridget Burns in November of 1844 in the United States, specifically New York City, but on the Ireland side I have nothing.  Looking at my genetic makeup there's an interesting development as in I may be more English (United Kingdom, specifically Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) than Irish (39% vs 17%).  My father's lineage was more Scottish than Irish but again that may do more to confuse the search than bring anything into more specific relief.

Coincidentally Luke's wife, Bridget Burns arrived in 1842 from Northern Ireland.  I've always wondered if Luke and Bridget or their families may have known each other in Ireland.    Nothing I've uncovered so far indicates they did but it's a thought.

Name          Bridget Burns
Age   18
Birth Date           1824
Departure Port   Newry, Northern Ireland
Arrival Date   5 Jul 1842
Arrival Port   New York, New York, USA
Ship Name           Amelia


Have you found Luke on censuses?

A few points on which to ruminate.

New York was a melting -pot as you no doubt know. People from all over Ireland went there. It was the destination of some of my relatives from County Mayo.

Genetic percentages. People on the DNA board may be able to help you interpret them. People have been moving back & forth between Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales for more than a thousand years, sometimes in a mass migration or planned large-scale settlement, e.g. the Plantations of Ulster.
English isn't the same as British. Britain isn't the same as the U.K. Scottish and Welsh people aren't English. People in or from the present state of Northern Ireland can be Irish or British or both or might identify as Ulster Scots.
The state of Northern Ireland was created in 1921 when Ireland was partitioned by the UK government. It contains only 6 of 9 Ulster counties. Donegal, the most northerly county of Ulster wasn't included in the new state. Neither were Cavan and Monaghan.   

Newry was the port of departure for Bridget Burns but she may not have been born there.
 Newry was a major port connected by canal to a large part of the province of Ulster. It had become the premier port in Ulster and the 4th in all Ireland by the end of 18th century, thanks to the canal. The town was transformed into an international trading centre, trading with America and Europe. Newry was a major urban centre in 19th century, population 13,000, with industries. The most successful period for the canal was 1840s. Thackeray, the writer visited in 1842 and wrote a description, mentioning "Steamers to Liverpool and Glasgow sail continuously" ("Irish Sketch Book")
https://www.newryjournal.co.uk/history/pre-1800/old-newry-history-part-1/
https://www.newry.ie/news/newry-in-1842
https://www.newry.com/history/
Article about emigrant ships from Newry Port with description & history of the port
https://www.newryjournal.co.uk/history/maritme-history/emigrant-ships-brothers/   
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Re: Looking for family of Luke Gillen born circa 1825
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 02 October 22 21:42 BST (UK) »

Honestly, my definitive information is pretty scant.  I know that he was married to Bridget Burns in November of 1844 in the United States, specifically New York City, but on the Ireland side I have nothing.  Looking at my genetic makeup there's an interesting development as in I may be more English (United Kingdom, specifically Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) than Irish (39% vs 17%).  My father's lineage was more Scottish than Irish but again that may do more to confuse the search than bring anything into more specific relief.

Coincidentally Luke's wife, Bridget Burns arrived in 1842 from Northern Ireland.  I've always wondered if Luke and Bridget or their families may have known each other in Ireland.    Nothing I've uncovered so far indicates they did but it's a thought.

Name          Bridget Burns
Age   18
Birth Date           1824
Departure Port   Newry, Northern Ireland
Arrival Date   5 Jul 1842
Arrival Port   New York, New York, USA
Ship Name           Amelia


Have you found Luke on censuses?

A few points on which to ruminate.

New York was a melting -pot as you no doubt know. People from all over Ireland went there. It was the destination of some of my relatives from County Mayo.

Genetic percentages. People on the DNA board may be able to help you interpret them. People have been moving back & forth between Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales for more than a thousand years, sometimes in a mass migration or planned large-scale settlement, e.g. the Plantations of Ulster.
English isn't the same as British. Britain isn't the same as the U.K. Scottish and Welsh people aren't English. People in or from the present state of Northern Ireland can be Irish or British or both or might identify as Ulster Scots.
The state of Northern Ireland was created in 1921 when Ireland was partitioned by the UK government. It contains only 6 of 9 Ulster counties. Donegal, the most northerly county of Ulster wasn't included in the new state. Neither were Cavan and Monaghan.   

Newry was the port of departure for Bridget Burns but she may not have been born there.
 Newry was a major port connected by canal to a large part of the province of Ulster. It had become the premier port in Ulster and the 4th in all Ireland by the end of 18th century, thanks to the canal. The town was transformed into an international trading centre, trading with America and Europe. Newry was a major urban centre in 19th century, population 13,000, with industries. The most successful period for the canal was 1840s. Thackeray, the writer visited in 1842 and wrote a description, mentioning "Steamers to Liverpool and Glasgow sail continuously" ("Irish Sketch Book")
https://www.newryjournal.co.uk/history/pre-1800/old-newry-history-part-1/
https://www.newry.ie/news/newry-in-1842
https://www.newry.com/history/
Article about emigrant ships from Newry Port with description & history of the port
https://www.newryjournal.co.uk/history/maritme-history/emigrant-ships-brothers/   

Yea, very good point.  Fact is though my genetics points to being English, say, it has to be noted that we're really talking "English Isles", or North West Europe more generally. 
Love the information on Newry.  I have information on Gillens in New York city and it's a pretty impressive collection.  And I know, based on marriage records, that Luke and Bridget lived there before moving on to Maryland. 

Thanks for taking the time to reply.  Wonderful info.

Regards,

Mark Gillen