Edie 🤷‍♀️ Smith

[ColC]

As far as I can see there was no Edie Smith born in Nottinghamshire 1917-1937, there were a number of Edith's but none of the mothers maiden names matched the mothers noted on the 5 Ernest's registrations 1917 +/- 2 years.

Colin

[ColC]

I’m assuming that Edie was born around 1920 if she helped Jewish families settle in the UK during WW2. There is this registration in Lancashire.

SMITH, ERNEST       HALL 
GRO Reference: 1915  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 358

Births Dec 1920
Smith   Edith F   Hall   Leigh   8c   496

Edith was the only Smith registered in Leigh 1915 - 1925. There are several other Smith’s mother Hall registered Nottingham after 1920, so maybe they first moved from Manchester to Leigh, then Nottinghamshire?

Colin

[Ladyhawk]

I am looking for information about my grandfather's sister Edie, I don't have any date of birth or death for her.

My grandfather, Ernest Smith was born in Manchester,1917 ?

Ernest isn't alive. The whole family moved to Nottingham.

When & Where did he die?
If the death is after Jun 1969 it should give his dob that might help narrow down his birth registration.

Have you found him on the 1939 Register this will also give his dob?

Have you found him on 1921 census?

For info. as an example there's an Ernest SMITH b1917 Manchester

free info. available shows he's with James & Caroline Smith plus 6 others - using the advanced search it appears that James Smith b1864 West Brom., Caroline b1872 no pob given  and I think the other persons are:- James Harold born 1892 Egypt, John William no pob, Bert, George Harris & Winifred born 1913 Manchester - NO Edie/Edith though

As mother was born in Spain possible birth entries for Winifred & Ernest

SMITH, WINIFRED   mmn PEROUGH
GRO Reference: 1913  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 341   

SMITH, ERNEST   mmn PARROA
GRO Reference: 1917  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 262   

Looking at the 1911 census it looks as if James Harold born Egypt's middle name is Horatio

1901
Caroline Smith married 25 Gibralter
James 9 Egypt (British Subject)
Caroline 7 Manchester
Annie 4 Litchfield
William 2 Aldershot
Albert 6 mths West Brom

1911
James 46 West Brom
Caroline 38 Spain
James Horiatio 18 Egypt
Mary Caroline 16 Manchester
Ann Maira 14 Litchfield
John William 12 Aldershot
Bertie 10 West Brom
George Harris 4 Manchester
Joseph 5 Manchester

This might be George Harris Smith birth entry

SMITH, GEORGE  HARRY   mmn PARALO
GRO Reference: 1903  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 227

I’m assuming that Edie was born around 1920 if she helped Jewish families settle in the UK during WW2. There is this registration in Lancashire.

SMITH, ERNEST       HALL 
GRO Reference: 1915  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 358

Births Dec 1920
Smith   Edith F   Hall   Leigh   8c   496

Edith was the only Smith registered in Leigh 1915 - 1925. There are several other Smith’s mother Hall registered Nottingham after 1920, so maybe they first moved from Manchester to Leigh, then Nottinghamshire?

   

From GRO indexes Edith's middle name is Florence

On 1921 census Leigh Lancashire there is a
Edith F Smith born 1920 Leigh
2 other names
Hubert Smith b 1896 Glazebury, Lancashire & Ada Smith b1899 Wigan, Lancashire

[vickyparry]

Ernest Smith married Anne Carden, also from Manchester. I have very little information about my family.
Vicky

[heywood]

The marriage certificate would give you his father’s name and occupation (hopefully). That would help you find the right person.
Do you have a year of death?
 As has been said, there might be a birthdate in the death indexes which again could be useful for finding him.

[Annie65115]

Ernest Smith married Anne Carden, also from Manchester. I have very little information about my family.
Vicky

Do you have their marriage certificate?

I can't see any marriage between a couple of these names either on freeBMD or on lancs OPC.

If you can get Ernest's father's name, that might help. Also the marriage certificate will show you where he lived at the time and possibly other family members might be traceable at that address. And sometimes witness names can be useful.

If you have any of those details for Ernest's marriage, can you post them? If you havent' been able to trace it either, I think that suggests two possibilities - firstly, that Ernest and Ann didn't marry; or secondly, that one or other of them used a different name -- eg, Ann may be a middle name rather than a first name, or she could have been previously married.

As someone else has mentioned, if you know when Ernest died, you may be able to get a better idea of his DOB (although that relies on correct information from the informant for the death certificate). You (or RCers!) might also be able to find an obituary.

(Heywood, you typed faster than I did!)

[Annie65115]

Aha -- might this be the marriage?

Marriages Dec 1937   

Carding    Annie    Smith    Manchester S.    8d   103    

Smith    Ernest    Carding    Manchester S.    8d   103    

[heywood]

Looks good, Annie 

[Annie65115]

FindMyPast suggests 2 Smith/Carding birth registrations in the right time-- obviously either or both of these could still be alive so I'll not name them. But one was in Peterborough in 1940, the other in Blackpool in 1943. OP, could one of these be your father?