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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 September 22 16:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks all, I have seen all the documents you refer to and I apologise if my description of the marriage certificate sounded robotic but I was trying to be concise. You have all got the right documents. He was the son of William & Elizabeth and she was born Woolwich Kent. His father was a wheelright.  Francis did have a brother William who came from Stanfree but he married Frances Wilkinson in 1879.  Those with Ancestry subscription can see the tree called "Buxton (31-12-2021)"

What I wanted was a bit of reassurance that is is reasonable to presume that someone's christian name can be completely different on their marriage certificate.
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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 17 September 22 17:24 BST (UK) »
There are Three Versions of Any Marriage Certificate-
The Original - Completed and Signed in the Church by Groom Bride and Witnesses and Copy given to You
Second Copy Completed abnd Signed by All and held and kept by the Church Diocese
( sometimes they are scanned and appear on Ancestry)
The 3rd is the GRO Copy - The Vicar/ Priest Completes a Copy
to send to the General Records Office of the Marriage
You can identify this usually by the same handwriting on the Certificate Copy of the Groom and Bride and Witnesses is all the Same.
This is were Mistakes can be Recorded Copying in the Process and Wrong Names sent to the GRO and Recorded as the Truth when Not..
Which Copy are you looking at ?
What has GRO Recorded?
Hannah could have Married as a Widow under another Surname
But the Children would be Recorded correctly under her Birth Maiden Name not previous Surname.
I did have a Relative Joe but had no Birth Marriage or Death Recorded under Joe or Joseph
Because his Name was Ernest
From when he learned to Speak he hated his Birth Name so called himself Joe all his Life.
Researching the Past you cannot wear 21st Century Accuracy Eyes and expect the Past to be the Truth even Certificates are full of what people "Said" which may not be the Truth - no one could check anything then and many of our Relatives couldn't Read, Write or Count remember or knew their Parents
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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 September 22 21:41 BST (UK) »
The register can be seen on Ancestry.

"William" and Charles Tempril made their marks, everyone else signed.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 18 September 22 18:21 BST (UK) »
The registrar (or vicar) wrote down the names he was given.
If, for whatever reason a different name was given, then that's what he wrote down.
Correction - the registrar wrote down the name he thought he was given.  :D
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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 18 September 22 23:07 BST (UK) »
Andrew Tarr,
I did think of that but the marriage was "after Banns".  At the time of the marriage, the population of England was half of what it is today, so I thought that the vicar would know all his parishioners, which would preclude getting his name wrong but I think about how often my dad called me Gordon (my brother's name).
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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 September 22 23:38 BST (UK) »
Andrew Tarr,
I did think of that but the marriage was "after Banns".  At the time of the marriage, the population of England was half of what it is today, so I thought that the vicar would know all his parishioners, which would preclude getting his name wrong but I think about how often my dad called me Gordon (my brother's name).
One of my ancestors was called Piercy, but the registrar wrote Pearson ! Luckily there was plenty of later evidence indicating what had happened.
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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 19 September 22 10:15 BST (UK) »
Andrew Tarr,
I did think of that but the marriage was "after Banns".  At the time of the marriage, the population of England was half of what it is today, so I thought that the vicar would know all his parishioners, which would preclude getting his name wrong but I think about how often my dad called me Gordon (my brother's name).

? "Vicar would have known all his Parishioners" -  " would Preclude getting his name wrong"
 - Wrong  assumption !!!

My Grandparents invented there addresses to qualify to Marry in St Mary's Church Kirkdale which was The Church to get Married in Liverpool

Here is my proof of my evidence of the 3rd COPY of the Marriage Certificate that was sent to the GRO by the Vicar copying from the Original Two copies signed by the Parties
My Grandparents had
 Copy One  (since lost ) - signed by them and Grandmother's In Law's Alfred and Agnes Ericson
Copy Two -  signed by them and the Witnesses who knew how to spell their own names- held by the Church Diocese not released to Ancestry
Copy Three - Incorrectly completed by either the Vicar or Registrar and sent to GRO which I applied for here showing Witness Sister Ericson read Incorrect Seen and Recorded for History as Fact as Everson
- she never miss Spelt her own name !
AND all writing is in the same hand,  so Not the Original Copy !

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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 19 September 22 12:24 BST (UK) »
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I don't think you can compare knowing someone who had lived in a village of 16 houses for 25 years with knowing someone in a city who lies about their address in a Port City the size of Liverpool.  I  do know that every time they is a transcription there is room for error.  I have someone in my free who came from "Racherson French" it took a while to realize that this was "Radcliffe on Trent" in a Nottingham accent.  Buxton has many variations (even my spell checker wants me to put Burton) but they all have been, as your example is, mistranslations.  These can be accepted, but "William" is not misspelt and it was why I could not find a marriage for Francis.
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Re: Has the wrong name been recorded?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 19 September 22 13:17 BST (UK) »
Quite a few of the parties in that register just have the father as "Deceased" with no name given. So you were lucky to get William named as father!
It doesn't look as if much care was taken.

It is a pity if there is no surviving banns register. Would no one have noticed if the name William was called out instead of Francis on the three Sundays?

Everything else tallies, so I would agree that it is likely to be an error.

The wording you have quoted is not the wording of any official document.  It reads like a robot used by some genealogy software to create complete sentences from an actual record

Ridiculous comment. It was perfectly fine.