SMITH Harriet 12/11/1857 Westminster - Birth Cert

[NeilRJF]

Harriet SMITH born 12/11/1857 to Charles and Harriet Smith (nee White) at 12 Deuzell(?) Street, St. Clement Danes. Strand district Vol 1b p 433.

Was looking for 2xgt g'mother (so many Smiths!)

[jonwarrn]

You purchased another wrong Harriet Smith birth cert, registered same quarter, St. Giles, back in 2013.
Topic: SMITH Harriet 25/9/1857 Westminster - Birth Cert
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=663592.0

Perhaps you could try posting a query on Rootschat requesting help to find your 2x great grandmother?

[jonwarrn]

12 Nov 1881, St. Martin in the Fields
John Crow, full, Bachelor, Clerk, residence Lambeth
+
Harriet Charlotte Smith, full, Spinster, residence 28 Hertford Street, father Edward Smith, Coachman

Witnesses George Smith, Alice Smith

[jonwarrn]

Well, one tree thinks she is the daughter of Edward Smith and "Kelina" (I think probably is Keturah)
Here they are in St. Margaret's Westminster in 1861.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7LW-YQK

Harriett Smith is 3, born Middlesex St. Margarets.
Father Edward, 31, born St. George's, is a Coachman.
Mum is 30, also born St. George's.
Siblings are George, Alice, Charlotte.

George and Alice could be the marriage witnesses!

[jonwarrn]

This is interesting? Elliott, not Smith!!
Births
ELLIOTT, HARRIET  CHARLOTTE 
Mother's Maiden Surname: LANGFORD 
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in WESTMINSTER  Volume 01A  Page 270

ELLIOTT, CHARLOTTE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: LANGFORD 
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in WESTMINSTER  Volume 01A  Page 290

[jonwarrn]

Going back
ELLIOTT, GEORGE  EDWARD     
Mother's Maiden Surname: LANGFORD 
GRO Reference: 1853  J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE  Volume 01A  Page 170

ELLIOTT, ALICE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: LANGFORD 
GRO Reference: 1855  M Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 373

Those Elliott births seem a good match to the Smith family!

[jonwarrn]

Keturah was not a very common name.
Could this be her?

Baptism, 5 Nov 1832, St. George Hanover Square
Keturah
Parents Thomas & Catherine Langford
Abode Hayes Mews
Father a Servant

[jonwarrn]

In 1871 the Smith family are in Kensington.
Unhelpfully they have decided that everybody was born in Kensington.
An addition to the family, Frederick, age 1.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX7-6X6

Have they gone for being Smith on Frederick's birth reg?
SMITH, FREDERICK  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: LANGFORD 
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 135

[jonwarrn]

Baptism, 5 Nov 1832, St. George Hanover Square
Keturah
Parents Thomas & Catherine Langford

It was a double baptism.
Brother Thomas William was baptized with her.

Could Catherine have been Keturah?
Marriage, 23 June 1818, St George Hanover Square
Thomas Langford + Keturah Jones.

Now there is a problem. I can't find young Keturah in 1841 and 1851
Did she survive?

Census possibility for the family in 1841
St George Hanover Square
Thomas Langford 49 Coachman, Not born county
Kitura Langford 40 No
William Iles 30 Groom No
Sarah Langford 18 Yes
Thomas Langford 10 Yes

Image on FS, better than the one on ancestry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13G2-N5CF

Baptism 2 June 1826, St George Hanover Sq
Sarah
Parents Thomas + Keturah Langford
Abode Little Barlow St
Born 19 Decr 1823
Father a Coachman