TANFIELD Samuel 1841-1900 Who were his parents ?

[Eyesee]

Gravestone photo attached.

John died on the ship.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

Thomas left a will in 1865.

His probate was granted to his son Richard who was a Primitive Methodist Minister in Bradford, Yorkshire. Richard was eldest son from Thomas' first marriage.

You mentioned about Samuel being involved with Wesleyan Church.

Ian C

[amondg]

1841 census Thirsk
Thomas  has a relative John age 40 living with them - Blacksmith
Doylah (male) 35 - Tailor

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[SignalHill]

1841 census Thirsk
Thomas  has a relative John age 40 living with them - Blacksmith
Doylah (male) 35 - Tailor
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Somewhere in the last couple of days I came across Doylah I think in my NZ TANFIELD search.   I ignored or set it aside as a misspelling.   This makes John [b~1800] & Doylah persons of interest rather than, or alongside, their relative Thomas.
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I will also try to track down the John died on board the ship

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[Eyesee]

The trees on Ancestry have Doylah and John as brothers of Thomas, parents Robert and Rachel.

Thomas and Mary also had a son named Doylah born 1836.

Ian C

[SignalHill]

Gravestone photo attached.
John died on the ship.
Ian C

I have tracked down in Papers Past the following

Daily Southern Cross 9 January 1869 Page 2
ARRIVAL OF THE SHIP QUEEN BEE FROM LONDON.
The clipper ship Queen Bee, 726 tons, Captain John Leslie, anchored off Rangitoto about six o'clock last evening, after a smart passage of 99 days from the Downs.
The Queen Bee left the Downs on the 1st of October, with forty-one passengers, and a large miscellaneous cargo, in company with the ship Wild Duck, for Wellington, Experienced fine weather down the English Channel and to the Equator, which was crossed on the 30th, in 26- W. Had fair winds from thence to the Cape, which was passed on the 29th November in 43' S. Thence to Tasmania, which was sighted on the 29th December experienced light and variable weather, and made the Three Kings on Tuesday last. Met with southerly and baffling winds along the coast, and anchored as above last evening.
We regret to state that during the voyage two of the passengers died -- Alexander Forgie, on the 12th November, of dropsy in the chest and John Townfield [should be Tanfield], on December 7, of consumption.[TB]

The list of passengers and their luggage contains no further reference to John Tanfield / Townfield

So this  John Tanfield apparently travelling alone died between Cape Town and Tasmania.   He may be a relative but is not the John TANFIELD I am looking for

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[Eyesee]

As Brie said in Reply #1

However, we know information on the death certificate is only as reliable as the informant's knowledge so there is a possibility that may be inaccurate.

Samuel's son may not have known who his grandfather was, and as his grandmother's name is not on the death cert he did not know who she was. John may have been mentioned at some stage and was taken as Samuel's father.

If Samuel is the son of Thomas and Mary from Thirsk, which he looks to be, then John would be Samuel's uncle, or the brother who died on the Queen Bee.

I've had a number of death certs that have incorrect information on them.

A couple of the trees on Ancestry are by descendants of Samuel, so it might be worth contacting them. They might have something that confirms his parentage.

Ian C

[Lucy2]

On his Death Certificate [26 September 1900] he is shown as
born in Yorkshire
and his father is shown as John TANFIELD farmer

Hi Signal

I agree with what others have said regarding the "likely-mistaken" name of father, as shown on the death certificate. 

As to the occupation of this "John TANFIELD" -- "farmer" ... I have to offer the following :

*   On 1851 census (Thirsk, Yorkshire), Thomas TANFIELD, the father of the 1841-born Samuel TANFIELD, has the occupation "Grocer and Letter carrier".

However, on some prior records (namely, baptisms for his children Ann Chapman - 1825 / Mary and Thomas (twins) - 1832 /  Elizabeth Ann - 1834  / and  Doyla - 1836 ), Thomas TANFIELD of Thirsk  is shown as a Flax dresser.   He has this same occupation on the 1841 Census.

SO, maybe the name "John" has been confused with Samuel's late brother John (  -- 3 years younger and perhaps on his way to NZ to join his brother ?? ).     
AND ... can the occupation of "flax dresser" be deemed to be something akin to that of a farmer ??
[I dunno      ]

     ~   Lu

Added:    A bit on Flax dressing at this link >
http://branchesofmytree.weebly.com/100-ancestors/w115-james-anderson-a-flax-dresser
Seems like some of the preparatory work prior to the spinning process, may have been done "out in the field"  ?   ... and maybe the flax dresser also grew his own flax ?    SO, "farmer" ... possibly ??

[SignalHill]

Thanks Lu& Ian

I have identified from Ance$try Trees at least 8 John TANFIELDS  in Yorkshire possible fathers for Samuel.   I still wonder if the matching of birth year is enough to allocate Samuel to Thomas as his father.
Just as sons can get grandfathers wrong so can Ance$try Trees be in error

I have a PM directing me to another UK source with whom I am in contact and waiting to see what may emerge

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