Looking for Archibald COLVILLE

[sparrett]

Here is the connection Tree Spirit, if you had not already spotted it.

Wm Jas COLLVILLE
Married 
WATERSON, Annie Hall Johnston
In 1894 Reg. 6364

A news snip names her as Mrs COLVILLE when she remarried to Samuel McKIBBIN.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/144919433

Archibald COLVILLE'S (presumed brother) William James had married the probable  sister of Archibald wife, Violet. William James died in 1897.

So it looks like the child Russell ,as you correctly suggest, was taken in by Ann COLLVILE when the mother Violet died.
Sue

[sparrett]

Also
When the mother of the Yackandanda COLVILLE brothers, Mary (nee RUSSELL), died in 1911, her obituary states living issue 4 daughters and 2 sons.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145021281

Sons born and indexed were James 1862/22889 Wm Jas 1865/19632, George Reid 1868/6475, Archibald 1876/20299.

James died 1864/2541. Wm James died 1897/15147, and George Reid 1938/12225.
 
So in 1911, according to Victorian indexing, two sons  living were George Reid and Archibald, whose recorded birth date matches the age at death of the NZ man.

Sue

[TreeSpirit]

Here is the connection Tree Spirit, if you had not already spotted it.

Good pick up and no I hadn't spotted it yet. I'd seen that Annie McKibben was born in Ireland and that's when I stopped looking for the exact relationship to Archibald and his son Russel.

I didn't want to spend too much time on VIC Archibald sr as we can't be 100% sure yet that he is the same person as NSW Archibald sr (i.e. until that NSW marriage certificate turns up). Nevertheless, it is interesting that both these Archibalds have a wife who dies shortly after child birth, that both guys move away pretty quickly and that both seem to leave their child behind.

[sparrett]

And that the one who died in NZ was born c. 1876 as was the son of Archi. and Mary COVLLE (nee RUSSELL)
Sue

[Westby]

Thank you all for your excellent sleuthing and for all the time you've spent unravelling the puzzle. You really uncovered an amazing amount of info.

I now have the marriage cert and can confirm that Archibald Colville that lived in Adelong and married Annie Gorman in 1906 was born in Yackandandah, moved to Emmaville and died in NZ. As we now know, he married three times. Sadly, his first two wives died young, leaving very young sons that Archibald seems to have left to be cared for by their aunts.

So the chronology for Archibald Colville is:

1860 (approx.)  - Archibald Colville and Mary Russell (Archibald I), from County Down, Ireland, arrive in Australia, settle in Yackandandah and have 9 children
1876 – Archibald II born in Yackandandah
1879 – Archibald I dies in Yackandandah (48 years)
1895 – Archibald II is living in Yackandandah (playing football)
1897 – Archibald II is working in Beechworth in a tannery
By 1900 - Archibald II moves to Adelong in NSW to work as a gold miner
1906 – Archibald II marries Annie Gorman, whose family owns the Shamrock Hotel in Grahamstown (near Adelong)
1907 – son Archibald Francis (Archibald III) is born, but Annie dies when Archibald is only about 12 days old, and he is taken into the care of his mother’s sister, Rose Morrison.
1907 – Archibald II leaves Grahamstown and moves to Emmaville in NSW to work as a miner (leaving his son behind)
1908 – Archibald II buys the land on which the Shamrock Hotel stands (formerly a gold mining reserve)
1912 – Rose Gorman dies, and John Morrison takes over as licensee of the Shamrock (3 years), owned by two unmarried Gorman daughters, Elizabeth and Ada.
1913 – Archibald II returns to Yackandandah, where he marries Violet Annie Waterson.
1913 – son Russell Waterson Colville is born
1915 – Violet Colville dies when Archibald III is less than two years old, and he is taken into the care of his aunt, Annie Hall Johnston Waterson, who later marries Archibald II’s brother William James Colville
1917 - Rose (nee Gorman) and her husband John Morrison leave the hotel and return to their family farm in Myrtleford, Victoria (where is Archibald III?)
By 1917 – Archibald II moves to New Zealand (Greymouth), where he works as a miner, but later works for NZ railways
1917 – Archibald II marries Hannah Gosling (widow) and has two sons, Archibald (born 1918/9) and William James (1921)
By 1924– Archibald III is living in Yackandandah
1929 – Archibald III marries Elizabeth Muriel Ryan in Wollongong. They live in Dapto. Archibald III is working as a miner. They have a daughter who lives only for a short time.
By 1932 – Archibald is living in Grahamstown and is the licensee of the Shamrock Hotel
1934 – Archibald III is the licensee when the family surrenders the licence. He returns to Dapto where he lives until his death in 1970 He is known to visit his aunt Elizabeth McNarama who continues to live in the Shamrock in Grahamstown after it ceases to be a hotel, at least until the 1940s
1954 – Archibald II dies in New Zealand aged 78 years
1968 – Archibald Colville is the registered proprietor of the block of land in Grahamstown – can we assume this is Archibald III as his father died in 1954?
1970 – Archibald III dies in Dapto

BTW I am interested in these people as I'm putting together a history of the Shamrock Hotel. Sadly the building no longer exists, but a friend has bought the land on which it stood, and I'm trying to put together a history of the families who lived and worked there. I'm not sure when the hotel was demolished, but I know it was still standing in the 1940s.

Thanks again
Fleur

[sparrett]

Hi Fleur
A certificate is a wonderful thing.
Would you please patiently type up every detail from the cert you now have.

Please just copy the exact words written for every heading without any speculative comments.

Many thanks if you have the time to do this,

Sue

[wivenhoe]

"I now have the marriage cert and can confirm that Archibald Colville that lived in Adelong and married Annie Gorman in 1906 was born in Yackandandah, moved to Emmaville and died in NZ. "

I think we are all keen to know what is recorded on the certificate.

Can you please list all the information on the document.

If you have relevant comments to make about the information you see, you should place them after the listed information please.

[Westby]

Marriage Certificate 3571/1906

Date and place of marriage:  16 May, Grahamstown NSW
Parties: 
Archibald Colville
- miner
- Grahamstown NSW
- bachelor
- birthplace - Yackandandah, Victoria
- 28 years
- Father - Archibald Colville (dec), miner
- Mother - Mary Russell
Annie Gorman ** birthname Anne **
- housemaid
- Grahamstown NSW
- spinster
- birthplace - Gundagai, NSW
- 35 years
- Father - Michael Gorman (dec), hotelkeeper
- Mother - Rose McEnroe
Married: Shamrock Hotel, Grahamstown, NSW
According to rites of: Roman Catholic Church

Witnesses: Denis Collins, Ada Gorman

Registered: 31 May 1906

[sparrett]

Thanks. That is really clear now that the parents, at first only a line of speculation were in fact Archbald COLVILLE and Mary RUSSELL.

Cicumstances and existing information make it likely that the deceased man aged 78 in 1958 in NZ is the father of the younger Archbald, but no certainty.

Sue