Charles Robert EAGLES

[sparrett]

There are three rates book Victoria Entries of interest .

Charles EAGLES, a clerk, brick house , Johnston Street Collingwood in 1866 owned by Charles Cooke.

 Henrietta EAGLES  at Little Smith Street Collingwood in 1877. Owned by Andrew Wright

Charles EAGLES, (presumably the son) a tanner, at Little Smith Street Collingwood 1876 owned by Andrew Wright.
Sue

[kellogs]

Thanks for that Sue.
 Came across some more newspaper death notices for brother Henrys children. Out of the ten children they had, only three made it to become adults but still nothing in the newspaper for Charles and his family.
Maybe Marianne saying that he was an 'Agent' on her marriage certificate, meant secret agent!

[sparrett]

Hi
I wonder if you would kindly type all details on the certificates.

The exact words from each column.

It does take time, I know, but sometimes tiny things reveal big things to fresh eyes, or a differing interpretation of value.

If some bit is illegible, snip, save, attach and post it in your reply.

It all seems a bit odd to me. Death by debility and exhaustion at 38 years. No mention of TB or prolonged chronic illness to cause it

Sue

[maddys52]

Not sure if you have this already  - "Mr and Mrs Eagles, Miss Vail ..." travelling on Wild Irish Girl in NZ in 1855
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18550509.2.4

Modified to add:
When it arrived in Nelson, the passenger list has them as "Mr and Mrs Englis"
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18550512.2.3

[kellogs]

Not sure if you have this already  - "Mr and Mrs Eagles, Miss Vail ..." travelling on Wild Irish Girl in NZ in 1855
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18550509.2.4

Modified to add:
When it arrived in Nelson, the passenger list has them as "Mr and Mrs Englis"
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18550512.2.3

Thanks, no, I hadn't got these entries. I had just last night located the passenger list, but reading these notices, I noticed they were with a Miss Vail. When Henrietta emigrated in 1853 she went with her sister Mary Ann, so this shows that possibly she had been living with them. I still haven.t ascertained what happened to her yet, but at least I know she was with them at this point.

[kellogs]

Sue - Death Cert.
When and where died -11th APRIL 1868  ADOLPH STREET, RICHMOND

Name, Surname, Rank or Profession - CHARLES ROBERT EAGLES, CIVIL SERVICE

Sex and age - MALE, 34 YRS

Cause of death, duration, medical attendant and when he last saw the deceased - DEBILITY EXHAUSTION FOR 1 MONTH CERTIFIED BY GEORGE SPEARMAN 10th APRIL 1868

Name and surname of Father and Mother with rank or profession - WILLIAM BARNFATHER EAGLES, GENTLEMAN, MARY ANN EAGLES FORMERLY CRISPE.

Signature, description and residence of informant - FRANK EAGLES, BROTHER, ADOPLH STREET, RICHMOND

Signature of deputy registrar, date and when registered - WILLIAM H LAYOE, 11th APRIL 1868, RICHMOND

Burial registered, when and where, undertaker - 13th APRIL 1868, MELBOURNE CEMETARY, CHARLES BUTT

Name and religion of minister and names of witnessess of burial - WITNESS JOSEPH CLOWES

Where born and how long in the Australian Colonies stating which - TUNBRIDGE, KENT, ENGLAND, ABOUT 15 YRS IN VICTORIA

If deceased was  married, where and what age and to whom - MELBOURNE, VICTORIA, 28 YRS HENRIETTA VALE (MODIFIED IN THE RECORDS TO BE 21 YRS)

Issue, in order of birth, their names and ages - CHARLES, 12, MARY ANN, 7, ISABELLA, DECEASED, ROSA, DECEASED, LUCY, 1

One thing that has jumped out at me transcribing this is that the informant was his brother Frank. I had not realised that Frank had spent time in Australia. I wonder if he had come to visit knowing Charles was unwell or just happened to be in the country when he died. Will have to go and hunt him on the passenger lists now!

[kellogs]

Just thought, they spent really quite a short amount of time in New Zealand. Henrietta would have been pregnant when they got there as Charles was born in the August(maybe that was why her sister was with them, come to think of it). They left for Melbourne in August 1856.
Maybe he was seeing what money making opportunities were there. Or they just didn't like it there.

[sparrett]

Thanks for the details of the DC
Are you able to do the same for the marriage of the couple Charles and Henrietta? 
Please include witnesses or snip if not legible.

Sue


ADDING
Have you details that there was a brother Frank?
Is that Francis, or are you seeing an abbreviation for Frederick who was in Victoria?

[kellogs]

ADDING
Have you details that there was a brother Frank?
Is that Francis, or are you seeing an abbreviation for Frederick who was in Victoria?
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Yes he had a brother Frank. When I glanced over it yesterday I did think, oh they have just made a mistake on the certificate but having looked at it properly whilst transcribing, it does say Frank.

I checked through the passenger lists and a Frank Eagles arrived in Melbourne in 1864 and left for London in 1879.
This timeline works because he would be back in England to marry in 1880, and solves why I couldn't find him on the 1871 Census.
I wonder what he did for 14 yrs. Had an initial search and couldn't find on the indexes any indication that he had married or fathered any children over there.

Anyway, back to Charles, will transcribe that Marriage cert.