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Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« on: Wednesday 31 August 22 02:36 BST (UK) »
I am trying to determine the proper uniform accessories for a WW2 R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistant.  I have a contemporay picture of the person in uniform but his cap is turned such that I can't determine what the badge was.   I suspect it was the RCAF like at this link:

https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/CenturionAuctions/56/638956/H5403-L162726748.jpg.

For shoulder badges he has the caduceus.  He also has his L.A.C. wing on his upper arm.  I can't tell from the picture what he has for a shoulder patch, nor buttons, nor the patch on his forearm.  Any help determining what these are would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 02:44 BST (UK) »
By the looks of it, it appears that the caduceus are of the type in this pic at:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/19/f2/23/19f223523bcbf6a1bd84a7a07d97716f.jpg
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Re: Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 03:15 BST (UK) »
In case this helps, this was my dad.  After completing his training at RCAF Manning Depot in Toronto he served in the station hospitals at RCAF Depot 4 Yarmouth, NS and at Goose Bay, Labrador.  He was discharged on medical grounds in 1945 and he never talked about it.

A sister of his claimed that a plane he was in was shot down and he sustained serious injuries including the need for a metal plate in his forehead.  He never talked about what happened.  However, for several years after the war he suffered from seizures and would get quite emotional whenever there was the sound of a plane diving/crashing in tv shows/movies.  After he and my mother passed away I came into possession of their courting letters and in one he revealed to my mother that he was in a plane crash in WWII.  He had an album of pictures of the base in Goose Bay and about half a dozen or so of the pictures were that of a large burial procession of about a dozen coffins.

In looking at the records of servicemen deaths in Goose Bay in the online database of the Canada War Graves Commission (CWGC) 11 servicemen died on 6 July 1944.  This was clearly the procession in question as the only other multiple deaths recorded there were 3 deaths on 10 March 1943 and 4 on 3 November 1944 (with another death there a week later).  It does not look like this was the incident affecting my dad as he was not hospitalized around this time.  They were:

Toronto Composite School hospital, from Friday, 4 June 1943 to Monday, 21 June 1943, (18 days followed by 14 days sick leave from 24 June 1943 to 7 July 1943);
Yarmouth station hospital, from Monday, 3 January 1944 to Friday, 7 January 1944 (5 days);
Goose Bay station hospital, from Wednesday, 6 December 1944 to Saturday, 9 December 1944 (4 days);
Goose Bay station hospital, from Tuesday, 12 December 1944 to Friday, 22 December 1944 (11 days);
Dartmouth station hospital, from Thursday, 11 January 1945 to Thursday, 25 January 1945 (15 days); and
Moncton hospital, from Tuesday, 6 February 1945 to Wednesday, 7 March 1945 (30 days followed by 14 days special leave from 7 March 1945 to 20 March 1945).

Based on the information I learned to date, the evidence suggests that any accident occurred enroute from Goose Bay to Dartmouth for Temorary Duty at #5 CMB Hospital Dartmouth.  He flew there on 10 January 1945 and was admitted to Dartmouth station hospital the next day where he remained for 15 days.  Twelve days later he was back in the hospital where he remained for 30 days.  He was then granted 2 weeks special leave and then he was discharged.  I presume that he was readmitted due to him starting to have seizures.

This is quite a family mystery.  All I was able to get from Veterans Canada was standard genealogical type documents.  The rest is sealed for 20 years after his death.  I won't get access to this for a few more years.  My health has been such that perhaps I won't make it to solve this.

Help on his proper uniform accessories and any ideas about what plane crash he might have been in is appreciated.
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Re: Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 04:21 BST (UK) »
All I was able to get from Veterans Canada was standard genealogical type documents.  The rest is sealed for 20 years after his death.  I won't get access to this for a few more years.  My health has been such that perhaps I won't make it to solve this.
It may be worth getting back in touch to enquire about receiving the full documentation if you can provide all necessary proof/docs. of being his child & ask which documents you need to submit & explain the time limit may mean you won't survive long enough to access them & if need be you can provide medical records of your own existing ailments.

It seems a bit harsh for a child who is NoK (Next of Kin) can't access their parents' records.

Here in Scotland/England/Wales & possibly Northern Ireland which I'm unsure about, we can access our parents' docs. with the appropriate proof.

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Re: Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 09:55 BST (UK) »
pkincaid, I would agree with you about the capbadge.

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Re: Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 14:00 BST (UK) »
Rosinish: In 2011 they gave me a package and noted the rest, medical details, etc., is sealed for 20 years.  Still in effect according to https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/transparency/atippr/Pages/Access-information-military-files.aspx.  Staff would need legislative ammendments.

Tonepad: RAF eagle is an interesting observation.  His service overseas was mainly in Labrador which was not then part of Canada.  However, he also had unspecified temporary duties beyond Canada which I understood included participating in the air transport of wounded back to Canada. I assume he was thus under RAF command in Goose Bay.

Andy J2022: In light of his shoulder patch being an RAF Eagle, wouldn't it make sense that his cap badge was also RAF.  This is all an interesting twist.

In support of his sister's claim that he had a plate in his forehead due to a crash, I should add that his discharge papers record a scar on his forehead.  This was not in his attestation records upon joining up.

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Re: Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 14:09 BST (UK) »
In light of new info, I now suspect that patch on his forearm was the following found at https://www.cdnmilitarycollectors.com/t3228-2-rcaf-goose-bay-patch-1943.
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Re: Cap badge, etc. for R.C.A.F. Hospital Assistants
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 31 August 22 15:49 BST (UK) »
Scratch my last post.  That's not the forearm patch.  The following is a new scan of the picture of the forearm patch as well as the cap and shoulder patches.
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