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Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« on: Saturday 20 August 22 20:15 BST (UK) »
Hi all

On Nov 2 Elizabeth Cryer married William Calverley at Rothwell nr Leeds.
I / we are looking for a breakthrough on Elizabeths family. We have nothing else at present.

Some investigation suggests that Cryer may not have been her birth name and that William above was not her first husband. So far the most likely possibility is as follows.

William Cryer married Elizabeth Gott on June 21 1586 at Kildwick, nr Leeds. A William Cryer died and was buried July 21 1598.

Benjamin Gott 1762- did very well in Leeds during the industrial revolution and this sort of thing tends to drown out previous family history in internet searches so it may be the same family, but so far we have no way of confirming that

Can anyone help us here please?

Thank you.




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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 August 22 20:21 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Think you have posted in the wrong place, so may be best to ask a moderator to move you to get the best answers to your query.  :)

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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 August 22 21:54 BST (UK) »
I didnt.

I clicked the new topic button which I thought was fairly logical.

Someone needs to clean out this site then start again from scratch. It really is a dogs dinner. It has the " I put this thing together and use and manage it day to day, and (because of that) it is easy " written all over it. Instead of which whoever owns this thing should be asking themself " If I come on here for the first time or occasionally (like me) how will I find it?? And if they cant answer the question  they should be asking people (like me for instance) who can.

Mass market products win or lose basis their accessibility and ease of operation. Dishwasher or a website, makes no difference.
This thing is a great idea, it really is, but it is dated, clunky and way over complicated and it is a real pain to use.

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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 20 August 22 22:18 BST (UK) »
There is a "New Topic" button on every board within RootsChat! ;)
First navigate the board, or sub-board, that best fits.
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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 20 August 22 23:33 BST (UK) »
So why is there a new topic button on every page.

Even on a page where is not applicable ??

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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 August 22 14:36 BST (UK) »
From a quick analysis of where you're up to, I think there's a danger of jumping to conclusions and leaping across gaps without any evidence. You also seem not to have given us all the information you have. In more detail:

On Nov 2 Elizabeth Cryer married William Calverley at Rothwell nr Leeds.
I / we are looking for a breakthrough on Elizabeths family. We have nothing else at present.

Some investigation suggests that Cryer may not have been her birth name and that William above was not her first husband. So far the most likely possibility is as follows.

William Cryer married Elizabeth Gott on June 21 1586 at Kildwick, nr Leeds. A William Cryer died and was buried July 21 1598.

You refer to "some investigation", without going into details. If we knew what that was, we could either avoid going over ground you've already covered, or offer opinions on how much confidence could be placed on that investigation, or both.

Your subject line mentions Cryers of Grantham, but your message has nothing about Grantham.

Cryer is a surname found fairly commonly in the Keighley/Skipton area (as is Gott), but both are more widespread than that. I note that the Rothwell registers (in printed transcript form) have a number of Cryer entries in the first half of the 17th century, but apparently none earlier than the marriage of Elizabeth to William Calverley (in 1600 - you didn't give the year). So there were clearly other Cryers around as well as Elizabeth, and if you can trace their origins you might find something on Elizabeth too.

EDIT: See my next reply for a comment on the 1598 burial.

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Benjamin Gott 1762- did very well in Leeds during the industrial revolution and this sort of thing tends to drown out previous family history in internet searches so it may be the same family, but so far we have no way of confirming that

Can anyone help us here please?

Work backwards from Benjamin and see where you get to. But as Elizabeth is quite a common name, there's no guarantee that any that you stumble upon will be the right one.

As with any family, you need to be prepared to look beyond parish registers. Marriage licences and wills often provide evidence of relationships; if you're lucky you might also find a memorial that gives a bit more information than a simple burial entry.

Lastly, I wasn't very impressed by your criticism of this site. It has developed over many years to become a vast store of family history knowledge and advice - all available for nothing. It depends on the goodwill of its members, who, although they offer help freely, don't like to feel unappreciated. In that spirit, you might wish to revisit some of your own earlier queries, where you have not acknowledged the help you have been given. You can find them by clicking on your user name, then Show Posts on the left.

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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 August 22 15:31 BST (UK) »
William Cryer married Elizabeth Gott on June 21 1586 at Kildwick, nr Leeds. A William Cryer died and was buried July 21 1598.

Further to my earlier reply, the burial in Kildwick on 21 July 1598 was for the wife of William Cryer of Silsden. (A William Cryer aged about 96 was buried in December 1600, but I've no idea whether this was the same one.)

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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 August 22 01:24 BST (UK) »
- Im not jumping to conclusions nor am I leaping across gaps which is why I posted as I did.
- I have already done a lot of work on this and this is a very condensed "most likely" as things stand
- If you want all the evidence I have then I will post an 8 page Lincolnshire genealogist report which noone will bother to read. I could add a Joseph Foster Calverley pedigree that goes back to King Stephen if you like too...see how many people want to read that.

- "Going over ground covered". I have also posted in the style I have because I do not expect anyone to do my work for me. Why should they? They have their own stuff to deal with. Im just trying to trigger a memory from someones own family investigations
- I have spent the past 2 weeks trawling through the registers of some 8 parishes including Rothwell and this is where I am at now. I can practically recite both volumes of Rothwell to you by heart. The Calverleys were there for hundreds of years.
- I did not give the year of the Calverley / Cryer marriage because it is irrelevant. The question here here is was Elizabeth married previously and if so what was her maiden name? William has nothing to do with this. I only mention him for context. Otherwise it just muddles the issue.

- Benjamin Gott. Another reason for my post is that `working backwards` as you put it is not the same as working forwards. All you tend to end up with is a great long list of people with the same family name. Most times it is impossible to tell even how many lines there are. You need  a fixed point somewhere and that is what is currently lacking.

- Beyond parish registers? I know. I have been at this family tree stuff for 10 years. There is nothing in the Calverley Charters at the B Museum etc etc. I have been in this situation before several times with other family lines and if all else fails you go fishing on the internet.
- I have never used a pay website. It has never been necessary. Internetarchive, family search, parliament on line, public collections and a host of other sources have stood me well for years.
Heres another example of why Im not interested in paysites. A friend checked for a parent of Elizabeth on ancestry. Over 200 family sites gave her Father as a Homer Cryer (Homer here married Rhoda West in Louisiana in 1815...)
Likewise (and I am working from memory here as I am afraid I will lose all the above if I go searching my threads on this site) If I recall correctly someone has recently suggested on my Cryer thread that, was it William, could have married someone of 90+ years. Have I got that right? I didnt really know what to say to that so so far I have not responded
Again working from memory
- Ibbetson thread some 5 years ago I provided a large amount of info. Cant remember anyone thanking me for that. Didnt bother me. Richard Doig was perfectly pleasant, then it went to email so you have no idea how it panned out.
- Wilford just became a thread
- A few weeks back I offered to send someone a tree on their Nathaniel Calverley thread and I received no response. Big deal.
But I dont think my`supposed`lack of manners on your site has anything to do with your comments   to that end. You are just slapping me back.
As I understand it this is not a business so technically I am not a customer however I am sure you can square the circle when I say that in my business some of the best ideas for new products adjustments and improvements come from robust criticisms from our customers. We do not have a mindset where we take umbrage and become defensive when someone has a go at us. We embrace it. These are the people who buy and use what we supply. They are the reason we exist as an entity. Its not a case of oh weve been around for 30 years and we had a good profit last year so what can anybody tell us that we dont know already.
You do not like criticsm, which goes a long way to explaining why this site is the way it is.
Just because you dont like what someone says doesnt make their point invalid. 
   

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Re: Gott family of Kildwick, Yorks. Cryer family possibly of Grantham
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 August 22 08:56 BST (UK) »
sephardictyke: Have you tried looking at http://www.wharfegen.org.uk/
Certainly got plenty of Cryer/Calverley named people listed.
[All the records listed are a transcription of actual records]
 Brian
Even the Gotts of Kildwick!
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