Trying to find a marriage with very little information

[bbart]

it would have been lovely to be able to tell Ada's granddaughter that I had found her grandma.

Ada has a granddaughter.... if you can't post the name of Ada's child here, can you private message it to jonw65 and myself?  It would give us another avenue to pursue.

Edit :  never mind!  Just reread reply #38.

[LyndseyB]

Thank you all for your replies.  I shall attempt to reply to all the points raised.

Yes, Benjamin was in Edmonton a long time, but he was not the only Freeman to move there from Meesden. His brother’s William, Robert, Frederick  as well as his only sister, Sarah, also moved to Edmonton. So when he left to go south of the river he was leaving a lot of family behind.

Of the brothers who remained in Meesden -  David married Eliza Law (b.1853 Langley) and Joseph  married Mary Selina Abrams  (I think that should be Abrahams) (b. c1861 Langley) and I have looked at the siblings of both wives as suggested –
Eliza was the daughter of Aaron & Jane Law and the only female siblings I could find for her were:
Ellen (b. 1856)
Harriet (b. c1861 Langley)
Rebecca (b. c1866 Langley).
Mary Selina was the daughter William & Tryphena Abrams (Abrahams) and the only female siblings I could find for her were:
Celia (b. c1863 Langley)
Florence (b. c1865 Langley)
Agnes H (b. c1878 Clavering)
I know there is a big gap between Florence & Agnes H but I could not find the family on the 1891 census.

About 15 years ago I went to both Meesden Parish Church and Hertford Archives to look at their Meesden records and have never seen a birth record for an Annie Freeman in either so it does look as if “Annie” is the missing Ada! However, I have not been able to find her under that name in the 1921 census. Perhaps you could give me some tips on how I can widen my search?

Once again thank you all.

[bbart]

I know there is a big gap between Florence & Agnes H but I could not find the family on the 1891 census.

It looks like they are still in Clavering, but Tryphena is being called "Hannah"
They have the right sons with them, but now with 3 grandchildren of which I cannot make out their surname. Ancestry has transcribed the grandchildren as surname Tofte, which may or may not be correct.
The youngest grandchild is an Annie, just to tantalize us!

District 3, Clavering, Essex
If you are using ancestry.co.uk this should take you there:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/19139178:6598

[Gibel]

John, Kate and Annie Tofts are all shown in the GRO Index with mother’s maiden name Abraham.

A Florence Abram married a Walter Tofts in December Q 1883 in Royston Registration District.

I think Walter died in 1888 and in 1892 Florence married John Tofts in the Saffron Walden Registration district. The couple had  Violet May 1896 (mother’s maiden name Abraham) and Olive Rosa in 1899 registered Bishop Stortford Maiden name Abrams

According to the 1901 census Florence nee Abram or Abraham was born in Langley about 1865

[bbart]

Thanks Gibel.
It appears Walter Tofts died in 1890, and in 1892 Florence remarried to a John Tofts.

And sadly in regards to daughter Kate,  there is this:

Grantham Journal 12 March 1904

Sad Fatality
A verdict of  "Accidental death" was returned on Saturday, at an inquest on Kate Elizabeth Tofts, aged eighteen.  the deceased and her fiancee were being driven by her step-father, Mr. John Tofts, of the Catherine Wheel Inn, Albury, to Bishop Stortford station, when the horse shied at a stationary motorcar.  All were thrown out, and rendered unconscious, and Miss Tofts succumbed to concussion of the brain.

[LyndseyB]

What a sad story and what a small world. I have just been looking at pictures of the Catherine Wheel and I have been there!
Pre-Covid a small group of us Freeman descendants would meet up to have a wander around Meesden Church graveyard and then get a bite to eat , which got increasingly difficult as so many of the country pubs are closing.

The name Tofts rings a bell. I think there may have been Tofts in Meesden at some point as I think I may have seen some Toft headstones in the graveyard there.

[LyndseyB]

Hi All

In #53 bbart asked me if No.130 Wickersley Road was a private house and I replied that it had been demolished. However, I have now seen Wickersley Road on a map dated 1950 and No.130 is still standing. It was renumbered as No.2 when the area was redeveloped - one of the few houses in that road that escaped demolition.

Therefore, could someone please advise me on how to find out if there is house history for that address and if so, how I may be able to gain access to it (as suggested by bbart) in the hope that  maybe it will lead me to find out more about Benjamin's 'wife' Amy.

Many thanks in advance.

Many thanks

[nfp20]

Shripney is an area not just a road. We used to ride the horses through there

[nfp20]

I’m just looking at this family to resolve some information with my Robinson great grandmother Martha.

I have certificates for her marriage to Henry Phillips on 20 November 1864. The certificate does not mention a father for Martha only a birth in Meesden. Her mother appears to be Jane Robinson who married James Freeman, it is this link that I want to verify. The marriage to James Freeman was 25 April 1846 in Royston. On the 1851 census record there is an entry with the freemans that has Emily & Martha Robinson noted with their father William Robinson and Martha is noted as ‘niece’ so I am trying to find Martha’s mother assuming Jane is Williams sister ?

Any help would be very appreciated. Tasha