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Re: 1900 New Jersey Report of Death. Request for Help Deciphering Forename of Mother
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 11:19 BST (UK) »
According to the tree, Dominic’s wife was Catherine and her parents are unknown.

Dominic’s children:

Thomas Higgins - 1st son (should be named after the father’s father, but isn’t)
Bridget Higgins - 1st daughter (should be named after the mother’s mother, but name unknown)
James Higgins - 2nd son (should be named after the mother’s father - Dominic’s father was named James)
Winifred Higgins - 2nd daughter (should be named after the father’s mother, possibly was?)
Dominic Higgins - 3rd son (should be named after the father, which he was)
Patrick Higgins - 4th son (should be named after the father’s eldest brother, but it looks like Dominic was the oldest child)
John Higgins - 5th son

Dominic and Catherine kind of followed the naming pattern, I guess? [Naming pattern according to one website]

Note: most of my Irish ancestors did not follow the pattern so I’m not surprised to see that Dominic may not have done so as well.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: 1900 New Jersey Report of Death. Request for Help Deciphering Forename of Mother
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 11:59 BST (UK) »
Daughter Winnie and mother Wine or Wini make a lot of sense to me. People spelled things as they heard them.
According to the tree, Dominic’s wife was Catherine and her parents are unknown.

Dominic’s children:
Thomas Higgins - 1st son (should be named after the father’s father, but isn’t)
Bridget Higgins - 1st daughter (should be named after the mother’s mother, but name unknown)
James Higgins - 2nd son (should be named after the mother’s father - Dominic’s father was named James)
Winifred Higgins - 2nd daughter (should be named after the father’s mother, possibly was?)

The 1st two children might have been named after Catherine's parents.

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Re: 1900 New Jersey Report of Death. Request for Help Deciphering Forename of Mother
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 15:26 BST (UK) »

What is the practice on other instances of the same form, perhaps in the same clerk's hand?

If it is an Irish forename, how about Ulna?
Ulna is one more possibility.
I haven't seen any other instances of the same form.  The extract I sent with my original enquiry was from a document provided by a DNA match who can't decipher the deceased's mother's name either.

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Re: 1900 New Jersey Report of Death. Request for Help Deciphering Forename of Mother
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 15:36 BST (UK) »
From the same form. For comparison of the capital W (identical), the i without a dot, and the final e (
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Re: 1900 New Jersey Report of Death. Request for Help Deciphering Forename of Mother
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 15:44 BST (UK) »
Are all final e's like that? The last letter of the mother's name is fairly similar to the 'e' in the middle of Ireland, and I suggested Wine rather than Wini because it has a loop.

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Re: 1900 New Jersey Report of Death. Request for Help Deciphering Forename of Mother
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 16:48 BST (UK) »
There's 'he' in Section 11, just below the mystery name, and that has an 'e' like the one in 'White'.

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Re: 1900 New Jersey Report of Death. Request for Help Deciphering Forename of Mother
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 16:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for the helpful suggestions. It would be convenient if the hard to read name on the Report of Death is Winnie or similar. 

In correspondence with a Gedmatch DNA match from New Jersey we agreed that our relationship was through Higgins ancestors from Co. Roscommon.

Her great-great-grandfather Dominic Higgins who went to the USA and my great-grandfather James Higgins who came to England were both born in Co. Roscommon in the 1840s. Her great-great-grandfather's 1900 New Jersey Report of Death shows his father's name as James presumably Higgins. My great-grandfather's 1876 English marriage certificate shows his father's name as James Higgins deceased.

We think they were probably brothers which would make the match and I 3C1R.  This is consistent with the amount of shared DNA between the match and her close relatives who have been tested and me and my close relatives who have been tested.

My great-grandfather James Higgins named two of his sons Dominic and named a daughter Winifred. The match's great-great-grandfather Dominic Higgins also named a daughter Winifred. I did think that Dominic and Winifred were fairly uncommon forenames because there are no other Dominics or Winifreds in the families of my ancestors from Co. Galway or Co. Mayo but they are possibly not uncommon names in Co. Roscommon.