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Offline RJ137

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #27 on: Monday 15 August 22 14:43 BST (UK) »
1908 Trenton, New Jersey Directory
Fitzcharles & Melrose
James Fitzcharles & James Melrose - 134 E State
  Notions, linens, cloaks, laces, etc.

Have you researched when the two men went into business?
  I wonder if there could be any connection to John?

Possibly the above man?
1920 Trenton Ward 1, Mercer Co., NJ
James Fitzcharles, age 58 (born c1862), Scotland.  Immigrated 1882.  Parents born in Scotland.
Occupation - Jobber.  Industry - Dry Goods Co.

 Trenton Evening Times
Saturday, Feb 04, 1911
Trenton, NJ
Page: 2

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #28 on: Monday 15 August 22 15:28 BST (UK) »
Maddys52 - that's a messed up census entry on ancestry!  I can't see a William Melrose in the immediate family that I can identify as another draper in Peebles. At this point I assume that if it is a Melrose in Traquair, Eddleston or Peebles, they are my family, but I can't see one that would match up with this William however.

James is the son of John who ends up in Trenton, and I think he had a few business ventures. I didn't realise he was also in Philadelphia, so that last cutting is very interesting (thanks RJ137 for finding this). It looks like James Melrose and James Fitzcharles met about 1889 or so in Philadelphia - wonder if they knew each other in Scotland originally.  James Melrose married Gertrude Sittner in 1898, which must be about the time the Jameses started their own company. I see James Melrose is buried with members of the Sittner family.

I see no sign that John Melrose is floating around in this American picture. I have searched newspapers.com for any Johns from Peebles, but nothing shows up so far. Another son John Middlemass Melrose went to South Africa circa 1890 (I assume this is where sister Jane met her future husband) - but searching the South African card catalog for any John who isn't the son, also shows up nothing.
Smith: East Lothian, Scotland
Mack: Berwick, Scotland
Fell: Yorkshire, England
Smeeton: Leicester, England
Haigh: Marsden, Yorkshire, England
Sullivan: Kerry, Ireland

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #29 on: Monday 15 August 22 15:45 BST (UK) »
I mean he's obviously not in Scotland is he? He doesn't show up in prison records, censuses, death records or anything else. But then he doesn't seem to be in America or South Africa, where his children are, either. Is he in NZ, Australia, England, Wales, Ireland or Canada? I have no idea where he went.
Smith: East Lothian, Scotland
Mack: Berwick, Scotland
Fell: Yorkshire, England
Smeeton: Leicester, England
Haigh: Marsden, Yorkshire, England
Sullivan: Kerry, Ireland

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #30 on: Monday 15 August 22 16:21 BST (UK) »
…Are you aware that there is a passenger record for:
James Melrose, age 22, Draper(?) - sailed to New York on board the Columbia, arriving 3 Sep 1869 (port of departure was Glasgow, Scotland).

Could this be John’s son?  I wonder if John was in America at that time?

I saw a passenger list for whom could be Mary and James, arriving in America in 1907, they were shown as American citizens, I believe.  That led me to look for James’ earlier sailing date.

I hadn't seen the record for James, but he would have been only 14 in 1869, so I don't think this is him.  In the 1910 federal census, it says he immigrated in 1882, and I have found him so far in the 1895 and 1905 New Jersey censuses as well. He was a merchant, starting his own businesses in Trenton, marrying Gertrude Sittner in 1898.
Thanks again!

Looking at the newspaper article that RJ137 found, dated 1911,
“Mr. Melrose retires after 40 years of business activity.”
Forty years could mean 37 or 38 years or it could mean exactly 40.  Was his business activity split between Scotland and America or solely in America for 40 years?  :-\
1911 - 40 = 1871.  I wonder if he did sail to America in Sep 1869, perhaps following his father or another relative?
However, I believe he was in Scotland in 1871 — did he sail in 1869, return to Scotland (for some reason) in time for the 1871 census and return to America after the census?

I will look again for John, or any Melrose, sailing c1869.

Update:  sorry, forgot that James age in 1869 was recorded as 22.  Can’t be him unless he lied about his age/it was recorded incorrectly.
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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #31 on: Monday 15 August 22 16:31 BST (UK) »
See clips below-

Trenton Evening Times
Saturday, Jun 19, 1897
Trenton, NJ
Page: 5

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Trenton Sunday Advertiser
Sunday, Oct 20, 1907
Trenton, NJ
Page: 5

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Trenton Evening Times
Saturday, Nov 30, 1907
Trenton, NJ
Page: 10

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #32 on: Monday 15 August 22 16:32 BST (UK) »
Trenton Evening Times
Sunday, Feb 05, 1911
Trenton, NJ
Page: 10

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Trenton Evening Times
Wednesday, Oct 15, 1913
Trenton, NJ
Page: 14

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #33 on: Monday 15 August 22 16:33 BST (UK) »
James died in 1934.

Obit-
Trenton Evening Times
Thursday, Mar 08, 1934
Trenton, NJ
Page: 9

Burial-
Trenton Evening Times
Sunday, Mar 11, 1934
Trenton, NJ
Page: 15

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 01:58 BST (UK) »
I don't have a subscription to British Newspapers Online (or findmypast) however there a few articles that mention the sale of the "whole stock in trade" of "Mr John Melrose, Draper and Grocer, Peebles" in 1863. eg 3 October 1863 - Daily Review (Edinburgh). Sounds like he may have been bankrupt, though I can't find any records yet.

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Re: Who is John Melrose in NYC 1870, and what happened to him?
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 16 August 22 02:02 BST (UK) »
Another item mentions "John Melrose, draper, Dundee" - 4 January 1870 - Greenock Advertiser. Not sure if it's the same John MELROSE.

There may be other mentions too.

Modified to add:
Actually, the draper in Dundee may be a James MELROSE, rather than John.