trying to trace the mother of Eliza Eddy 1861 - 1936

[heywood]

Summercrush, you write

I have tried buying Eliza birth certificate from the Records Office but they are saying they have no record of an Eliza Eddy being born 1861 in Bristol despite me telling them and sending them the marriage certificate I found online,

Eliza Eddy’s birth was registered in Clifton not Bristol.
Perhaps that is why they say there is no record.


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There is though a baptism online (will be posted somewhere on this thread) which shows parents Albert Eddy and Sarah Hannah. Residence is Lambwell  Court - again mentioned earlier re 1861 and Hotwells.

[SummerCrush]

SummerCrush - have you tried ordering the Eliza Eddy birth certificate directly from the GRO? You can do this online, just need to register.  I think the details you need were given quite early on in the thread.

I've already stated that The GRO has NO record of a birth for an Eliza Norris or Eliza Eddy born 1861 in Bristol, I tried ordering it over 6 months ago and had my money refunded back to me as they couldn't find a birth record or copy of a birth certificate for her.

[SummerCrush]

Summercrush, you write

I have tried buying Eliza birth certificate from the Records Office but they are saying they have no record of an Eliza Eddy being born 1861 in Bristol despite me telling them and sending them the marriage certificate I found online,

Eliza Eddy’s birth was registered in Clifton not Bristol.
Perhaps that is why they say there is no record.

Added
There is though a baptism online (will be posted somewhere on this thread) which shows parents Albert Eddy and Sarah Hannah. Residence is Lambwell  Court - again mentioned earlier re 1861 and Hotwells.

Clifton is Bristol{to be more clear Clifton is an area of Bristol, its what is now known as Millionaires Row} as houses are now worth anything from £250,000 up to over £5 million. its where Carol Vordeman used to live until she put her home on the market, its where Bristol City Football Players live, its where other millionaires live

[heywood]

It was a different registration district at that time though.
Eliza was registered in Clifton.
If you are requesting a birth in Bristol, it won’t be there.

Her baptism has details though as well.

[SummerCrush]

Summercrush, you write

I have tried buying Eliza birth certificate from the Records Office but they are saying they have no record of an Eliza Eddy being born 1861 in Bristol despite me telling them and sending them the marriage certificate I found online,

Eliza Eddy’s birth was registered in Clifton not Bristol.
Perhaps that is why they say there is no record.


Added
There is though a baptism online (will be posted somewhere on this thread) which shows parents Albert Eddy and Sarah Hannah. Residence is Lambwell  Court - again mentioned earlier re 1861 and Hotwells.

yeah Eliza Eddy born 1861 in Clifton, Bristol on her marriage certificate to Alfred John Norris, her father is Thomas Eddy his job profession was a labourer but he was deceased at time of Eliza's wedding.

also I believe now that Sarah is not Eliza's mother purely based on the fact that Sarah's father on her marriage certificate to Albert Eddy is Philip but I can't find any marriage certificate or marriage record for a Sarah Hannah Chapple and Thomas Eddy in Clifton, Bristol but the only marriage record I can find for a Thomas Henry Eddy is to a woman called Mary Ann Boxell{originally born in Cornwall} and they married 1886

[SummerCrush]

It was a different registration district at that time though.
Eliza was registered in Clifton.
If you are requesting a birth in Bristol, it won’t be there.

Her baptism has details though as well.

what are you NOT getting here .... Clifton is Bristol {ITS AN AREA in BRISTOL, its a Bristol Postcode}

[heywood]

There is no need for the capitals.

I understand and have already referenced the areas of Clifton and Bristol.
I am trying to help you.
If you look for a birth for Eliza Eddy in 1861, you will see the registration district. Free BMD and other sites will give you the information from the indexes.
GRO, as you know, will give you the index information plus the mother’s maiden name.

[djm297]

From Find My Past:

Eliza Eddy born Jan-Mar 1861, mother's maiden name is Chapple; Registration District is Clifton.

Clifton was a separate Registration District between 1837 and 1877.

Also from Find My Past:

Eliza Eddy bapt. 3 Feb 1861, St Peter's, Clifton Wood- Father is  Albert, Mother is Sarah Hannah

djm297

[Ladyhawk]

From Find My Past:

Eliza Eddy born Jan-Mar 1861, mother's maiden name is Chapple; Registration District is Clifton.

Clifton was a separate Registration District between 1837 and 1877.

Also from Find My Past:

Eliza Eddy bapt. 3 Feb 1861, St Peter's, Clifton Wood- Father is  Albert, Mother is Sarah Hannah

djm297

I don't think the actual baptism image for Eliza Eddy was added to the thread so I've added it and also the one for Henry & John Coleman

This doesn’t address the fact as to why Eliza Eddy father was named Thomas on her

19 May 1888 marriage to Alfred John Norris rather than Albert but one of the witnesses was Henry Coleman

14 Oct 1888 marriage Henry Eddy Coleman father Henry John Coleman
witnesses  Alfred John & Eliza NORRIS

Witnesses to marriages can be family members but relationships not stated so one could make an assumption from the 1871 census records that Eliza Eddy & Henry Eddy Coleman are half siblings both having the same mother Sarah Hannah CHAPPEL but different father's
Eliza's (Albert Eddy) & Henry Eddy Coleman (Henry John Coleman) and that Sarah Hannah Eddy had children with Henry John Coleman out of wedlock

All three births registered as COLEMAN with same mmn CHAPPLE(EL) but have the middle name EDDY  - Henry b1867, John b1873 d1873 & John b1875 d1882)

Sarah Hannah Eddy could only legally marry Henry John Coleman when her first husband had died - as previously mentioned no death found for an ALBERT Eddy only one for a THOMAS Eddy in 1877 - you would need to obtain this certificate to confirm and hopefully may contain useful information regarding the informant.

Henry Eddy Coleman and his brother John Eddy Coleman were baptised together parents Henry & Sarah Hannah Coleman (details have been posted)

Sarah Hannah Eddy did not marry Henry John Coleman until Dec 1877 maybe that's why Henry & John both have the middle name  Eddy and their surname registered as Coleman

1904 marriage Herbert John Norris (son of Alfred John & Eliza) to Lilian a witness to that marriage was Thomas Edward James COCKLE

You mentioned at the beginning of your post that Alfred & Eliza Norris daughter also named Eliza married Thomas E J Cockle

I hope this may be of some help to you 

EDIT to add - just came across this newspaper article which looks to confirm that the
John Eddy Coleman born 1875 who died 1882 is probably the son of Henry Coleman & Sarah Hannah  (nee Chappel)

Doesn’t mention any parents names - but gives an address Aldersky Lane

Western Daily Press 13 February 1882
Fatal Accident to a Boy
John Eddy Coleman (6) living 2 Aldersky Lane admitted to General Hospital suffering for serious injuries caused by falling on a stool whilst getting out of bed.........he died same day

Western Daily Press 15 February 1882
Inquest Verdict was "Accidental Death", son of a labourer living at 2 Aldersky Lane

1881 census Henry COLMAN , Sarah, Eliza 20, Henry 13, JOHN age 5 &
Robert, Rebecca & Mary Ann Chappel all lodging at Alderskey Lane

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I've have added the signatures of
Henry Eddy Coleman (Groom marriage Oct 1888) and
Henry Coleman (witness to Eliza Eddy's marriage May 1888) - to me these signatures look very similar