trying to trace the mother of Eliza Eddy 1861 - 1936

[Ladyhawk]

do you mean William re-married after death of his first wife Ann{not mother}

Yes I did sorry I didn't phrase it very well - it does look as if William Eddy's wife Ann (mother of Albert) died in 1837 and his father William remarried Honor in 1842

[Ladyhawk]

There is a lot of information about the family in online records and published trees. There are pages of it here.

The difficulty is father Thomas on marriage certificates for a Eliza and Philip and father Albert on census, birth and his marriage.

Is it now accepted that this is the right Eliza - lots of evidence re marriage etc?

Is it now accepted that Albert and Thomas are the same person?

SummerCrush what are your thoughts ?

I know Sarah died as Sarah Coleman and was buried at St Andrews, Clifton, Bristol, UK on 31 July 1878 and
I know Sarah was born 1829 in Bristol {her parents were George Chapple and Margaret Hosken{they married in Penzance Cornwall in 1842}

SummerCrush - Are you looking at a different Sarah to the one that married Albert Eddy?

The Sarah Hannah Chappel who married Albert Eddy her father is named as Philip on the m/c

Her possible death entry

COLEMAN, SARAH  HANNAH     75 
GRO Reference: 1911  J Quarter in BRISTOL  Volume 06A  Page 16

[SummerCrush]

There is a lot of information about the family in online records and published trees. There are pages of it here.

The difficulty is father Thomas on marriage certificates for a Eliza and Philip and father Albert on census, birth and his marriage.

Is it now accepted that this is the right Eliza - lots of evidence re marriage etc?

Is it now accepted that Albert and Thomas are the same person?

SummerCrush what are your thoughts ?

I know Sarah died as Sarah Coleman and was buried at St Andrews, Clifton, Bristol, UK on 31 July 1878 and
I know Sarah was born 1829 in Bristol {her parents were George Chapple and Margaret Hosken{they married in Penzance Cornwall in 1842}

SummerCrush - Are you looking at a different Sarah to the one that married Albert Eddy?

The Sarah Hannah Chappel who married Albert Eddy her father is named as Philip on the m/c

Her possible death entry

COLEMAN, SARAH  HANNAH     75 
GRO Reference: 1911  J Quarter in BRISTOL  Volume 06A  Page 16

well Eliza Eddy born 1861 in Hotwells, Bristol who married my 3x times Great Grandfather Alfred John Norris in 1888 in Bristol {Eliza's father on her marriage certificate states Thomas Eddy - Job Profession Labourer and also deceased at the time of their wedding - the mother to Eliza is not listed on her marriage certificate to Alfred John Norris}

that means Sarah Hannah Chapple can't be Eliza's mother as I thought especially if her father is called Philip on her marriage certificate to Albert Eddy

I can't find any official document online to prove Thomas Eddy married Sarah Hannah Chapple but Sarah did have a son called Philip {if she is Eliza's mother than Philip would have been born 3 years before her daughter Eliza was born}

I have tried buying Eliza birth certificate from the Records Office but they are saying they have no record of an Eliza Eddy being born 1861 in Bristol despite me telling them and sending them the marriage certificate I found online, I told them Eliza was 27 years of age when she got married to Alfred John Norris in 1888 making her born 1861.

[SummerCrush]

There is a lot of information about the family in online records and published trees. There are pages of it here.

The difficulty is father Thomas on marriage certificates for a Eliza and Philip and father Albert on census, birth and his marriage.

Is it now accepted that this is the right Eliza - lots of evidence re marriage etc?

I know Sarah died as Sarah Coleman and was buried at St Andrews, Clifton, Bristol, UK on 31 July 1878 and I know Sarah was born 1829 in Bristol {her parents were George Chapple and Margaret Hosken{they married in Penzance Cornwall in 1842}

SummerCrush - Are you looking at a different Sarah to the one that married Albert Eddy?

The Sarah Hannah Chappel who married Albert Eddy her father is named as Philip on the m/c

Her possible death entry

COLEMAN, SARAH  HANNAH     75 
GRO Reference: 1911  J Quarter in BRISTOL  Volume 06A  Page 16[/quote]

Sarah Hannah Chapple had three kids that we know of Philip born 1858, Eliza born 1861 and Mary Ann born 1863 {they must have been Thomas's children} as she didn't marry Albert until December 1877 if I remember correctly which means Sarah Hannah Chapple must have been born 1838 if Philip was born 1858 - making her 20 years of age when she had Philip {based on when Sarah was born the only death record that matches with the surname Coleman is a Sarah Coleman who died July 1878.

I've realised that John Eddy Coleman can't be Sarah and Henry son as he was born 1873 but they didn't marry until December 1877

[SummerCrush]

it looks like Eliza Eddy{a.k.a full name Elizabeth Eddy} returns to Penzance in Cornwall after her marriage to Alfred John Norris fails in Bristol and she re-marries a Mariner Sailor called James Wills at
St Mary's Church in Penzance, Cornwall in July 1889{Elizabeth claims to be 27 years of age when this marriage takes place which means she likely was born in St Austell, Cornwall in 1862 and the mothers maiden name on that birth record is ''Rosevear''.{Elizabeth's father on that marriage certificate is Thomas Eddy who is listed as deceased at time of wedding but it states his job profession was a Miner and James Wills father is Mariner. the witnesses are Elizabeth Bourne and James Rowe.

[Ladyhawk]

SummerCrush - I’m getting slightly confused now   

your opening post says quote

“believe Eliza Eddy died October 1936 in Taunton, Somerset, England.

we know Eliza and Alfred had a daughter called Eliza{born 1891 in Bristol} and they had a son called Herbert John Norris

Herbert John Norris {born January 1904 Bristol and died December 1988 Burnham War Memorial Hospital, Burnham-on-Sea, Somerset, England”

it looks like Eliza Eddy {a.k.a full name Elizabeth Eddy} returns to Penzance in Cornwall after her marriage to Alfred John Norris fails in Bristol and she re-marries a Mariner Sailor called James Wills at St Mary's Church in Penzance, Cornwall in July 1889

{Elizabeth claims to be 27 years of age when this marriage takes place which means she likely was born in St Austell, Cornwall in 1862 and the mothers maiden name on that birth record is ''Rosevear''.

{Elizabeth's father on that marriage certificate is Thomas Eddy who is listed as deceased at time of wedding but it states his job profession was a Miner and James Wills father is Mariner. the witnesses are Elizabeth Bourne and James Rowe.

How can Eliza (aka Elizabeth have remarried in 1889) when she had children with Alfred John Norris born 1890 & 1904 and is with her husband and children on 1911 census  -
added
if you search the latest census address Braunton Road you will find Alfred J Norris, Eliza & Herbert J living together in Bristol and widowed Alfred is living with his son Herbert & family in 1939 at the same address as 1911 census (Braunton Road) - there is a death Dec 1936 Bristol for Eliza Norris age 75 (1861) and Mar 1948 Bristol Alfred John Norris

1911 census
Alfred John Norris 46 Bristol, wife Eliza 50 Bristol, their children
Eliza 20 Bristol , Herbert John Norris 7, Bristol  living at 24 Braunton Rd Bedminster, Bristol

NORRIS, ELIZA   mmn EDDY
GRO Reference: 1890  S Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 05C  Page 663

NORRIS, HERBERT  JOHN   mmn EDDY
GRO Reference: 1904  M Quarter in BRISTOL  Volume 06A  Page 28   

Herbert John Norris
Birth 17 Jan 1904
Baptism    11 Feb 1904 Bedminster, Bristol
Religion:   Wesleyan
Father:   Alfred John Norris Mother: Eliza ab ode 35 Gladstone St Bedminster

I’m going to wish Good Luck with your research as I don't think I can contribute anything further that might be helpful

[heywood]

Ladyhawk and Summercrush.
I had written this over a time and as I posted, I see you have posted L H.
I will still post though as it is slightly different to yours. 

There is so much information here which has been posted/reposted/quoted that at times it can be difficult to follow.

1857
Marriage : Clifton Sept 1857 6a 202
Albert Eddy and Sarah Hannah Chapple.

Birth: Bristol September quarter 6a 11
Thomas Eddy mmn Chappel

Birth: Clifton December 1857 6a 65
Thomas Eddy mmn Chapple

1858 Bristol December 1857 6a 11
Philip Eddy mother Chapple

Death: Clifton March 6a 71
Thomas Eddy 0 years

1861
Birth: Clifton March 1861 6a 65
Eliza Eddy. Mother Chapple

1861 1727 /56/8

Albert, Sarah, Philip and Eliza living in Hotwells district, Clifton.

1863 Clifton March quarter 6a 76
Mary Ann Eddy - mother Chapple

1864 Bristol September quarter 6a 40
Death Mary Ann Eddy 1year

Clifton is a separate registration district to Bristol and is now a suburb of Bristol.

You have parish records and marriages etc detailed elsewhere in this thread.

**Albert Eddy ‘disappears.
** Thomas Eddy is named in marriage records as father

**Thomas Eddy dies 1877

You have census 1871 for the Colemans

Nowhere is Cornwall mentioned as birthplace to Eliza.

We have tried to piece together your Norris information with the Eddy information through the various records.

Traditions were not always followed.
People changed their names.
People lived together because they couldn’t marry.

Sarah Ann married her partner Henry Coleman after Thomas Eddy’s death.

(My grandparents were together over 30 years before they could marry. They had to wait until her first husband died).

We are going round in circles with this information and you can try to verify anything with official records if necessary.

If you reject this family, then the Norris information doesn’t seem to fit either.

I am sorry that this is a much longer post than I intended. I have tried to summarise what is known about The Eddy family.

[Ladyhawk]

I am sorry that this is a much longer post than I intended. I have tried to summarise what is known about The Eddy family.

Heywood you've summarized very well 

[Lisajb]

 SummerCrush - have you tried ordering the Eliza Eddy birth certificate directly from the GRO? You can do this online, just need to register.  I think the details you need were given quite early on in the thread.