trying to trace the mother of Eliza Eddy 1861 - 1936

[SummerCrush]

I have found the birth for Thomas - 1857
It is odd
September quarter 1857 Bristol mmn Chappel

December quarter 1857 Clifton mmn Chapple

Church register shows the burial for the child Thomas Eddy March 1858 Hotwells

yeah its possible that they did have another son. there is a marriage record for a Thomas Eddy from Bristol who marries a woman called Mary Ann Boxell {from Cornwall originally} and they had 1 daughter Eden Louise born 1894 but I can't find a death record for her or even a marriage record. I can't find her on any passenger lists or migration lists either.

[heywood]

I don’t understand what you mean, sorry.
This is what we have.

Albert Eddy born abt 1834 - Bath, Somerset

1851 1953 /53/28
Albert 16 yrs b Bath.
Living in Bristol with father William

Marriage 1857 to Sarah Hannah Chapple. His father William Eddy.

1861 1727 /56/8

Albert 28 yrs b Bath with Sarah H and children Philip and Eliza.

Albert then disappears and Sarah Hannah’s relationship and subsequent marriage has been detailed on this thread.

I also mentioned the death of Thomas Eddy which shows his birth year as similar to Albert’s.

Added
Sarah Hannah’s second marriage took place in the same year and quarter as Thomas Eddy’s death if I recall.

[SummerCrush]

I don’t understand what you mean, sorry.
This is what we have.

Albert Eddy born abt 1834 - Bath, Somerset

1851 1953 /53/28
Albert 16 yrs b Bath.
Living in Bristol with father William

Marriage 1857 to Sarah Hannah Chapple. His father William Eddy.

1861 1727 /56/8

Albert 28 yrs b Bath with Sarah H and children Philip and Eliza.

Albert then disappears and Sarah Hannah’s relationship and subsequent marriage has been detailed on this thread.

I also mentioned the death of Thomas Eddy which shows his birth year as similar to Albert’s.

his name on Alfred John Norris and Eliza Eddy marriage certificate is not written as ''Albert'' or even ''Thomas Albert'' or ''Albert Thomas'' its written as ''Thomas Eddy'' {he may not even have been born in Bath or Bristol, he may have been born in Cornwall where a lot of the Eddy family members seem to be at that time

[heywood]

Yes I know that.
He is also Thomas on Philip’s marriage certificate.

I have also previously mentioned this man  in 1871 2521/9/10
Thomas Eddy, mason’s labourer b Bath and lodging in Bristol. He is listed as unmarried and has been transcribed as 28yrs but, to me, that is doubtful on the census page.

I was just putting the idea forward that, for some reason, Albert who was Sarah Hannah’s husband, might have used a different forename for some reason.

Of course, you are right there might be a Cornwall connection - a very popular name there but I think there are coincidences which can be considered or discarded.

[heywood]

Sorry, this just occurred to me.

In your first post you wrote,

“ we know Eliza Eddy was born 1861 in Hotwells, Bristol, her father was Thomas Eddy {Labourer} but the woman who I thought was her mother Sarah Hannah Chapple isn't her mother after all due to her marrying a Bristol man called Albert Eddy.”

are you thinking that is the wrong family for your Eliza?

Who is named as Eliza’s father on her birth certificate?

[SummerCrush]

Sorry, this just occurred to me.

In your first post you wrote,

“ we know Eliza Eddy was born 1861 in Hotwells, Bristol, her father was Thomas Eddy {Labourer} but the woman who I thought was her mother Sarah Hannah Chapple isn't her mother after all due to her marrying a Bristol man called Albert Eddy.”

are you thinking that is the wrong family for your Eliza?

Who is named as Eliza’s father on her birth certificate?

I don't think Albert Eddy{unless his full name was either Thomas Albert or Albert Thomas} or Sarah Hannah Chapple were her parents

[Ladyhawk]

Sorry, this just occurred to me.

In your first post you wrote,

“ we know Eliza Eddy was born 1861 in Hotwells, Bristol, her father was Thomas Eddy {Labourer} but the woman who I thought was her mother Sarah Hannah Chapple isn't her mother after all due to her marrying a Bristol man called Albert Eddy.”

are you thinking that is the wrong family for your Eliza?

Who is named as Eliza’s father on her birth certificate?

I don't think Albert Eddy{unless his full name was either Thomas Albert or Albert Thomas} or Sarah Hannah Chapple were her parents

SummerCrush - do you have Eliza's birth certificate ?

1891/1901/1911 censuses for Eliza Norris (nee Eddy) give her pob Bristol or Holwell born c 1861

Have you found her Baptism?

Bristol, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1921

there is a baptism for
Eliza Eddy parents Albert , occ labourer & Sarah Hannah at St Peter’s Gloucester on 3 Feb 1861, abode Lambwell Court

and also these two Bpt. with same parents names Albert & Sarah Hannah

Philip Eddy 10 Dec 1858 St Mary Redcliffe Bristol
father’s occ Brewer abode 2 Guinea St.

Mary Ann Eddy 1 Mar 1863 St Peter Gloucester
father’s occ labourer abode Hotwell Road

Probable death of above Mary Ann EDDY age 1 Sept qtr. 1864 Bristol

GRO indexes all three birth entries mmn CHAPPLE

No baptism found for Thomas Eddy (mmn Chappel/le) born Bristol 1857
to confirm his parents names

No baptism found for Eliza Eddy born Bristol c1861 father named Thomas  mother ?

[SummerCrush]

Sorry, this just occurred to me.

In your first post you wrote,

“ we know Eliza Eddy was born 1861 in Hotwells, Bristol, her father was Thomas Eddy {Labourer} but the woman who I thought was her mother Sarah Hannah Chapple isn't her mother after all due to her marrying a Bristol man called Albert Eddy.”

are you thinking that is the wrong family for your Eliza?

Who is named as Eliza’s father on her birth certificate?

I don't think Albert Eddy{unless his full name was either Thomas Albert or Albert Thomas} or Sarah Hannah Chapple were her parents

SummerCrush - do you have Eliza's birth certificate ?

1891/1901/1911 censuses for Eliza Norris (nee Eddy) give her pob Bristol or Holwell born c 1861

Have you found her Baptism?

Bristol, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1921

there is a baptism for
Eliza Eddy parents Albert , occ labourer & Sarah Hannah at St Peter’s Gloucester on 3 Feb 1861, abode Lambwell Court

and also these two Bpt. with same parents names Albert & Sarah Hannah

Philip Eddy 10 Dec 1858 St Mary Redcliffe Bristol
father’s occ Brewer abode 2 Guinea St.

Mary Ann Eddy 1 Mar 1863 St Peter Gloucester
father’s occ labourer abode Hotwell Road

Probable death of above Mary Ann EDDY age 1 Sept qtr. 1864 Bristol

GRO indexes all three birth entries mmn CHAPPLE

No baptism found for Thomas Eddy (mmn Chappel/le) born Bristol 1857
to confirm his parents names

No baptism found for Eliza Eddy born Bristol c1861 father named Thomas  mother ?

unfortunately no I tried the National Records Office to get hold of Eliza Eddy's birth record and they told me they have no record of an Eliza being born in 1961 but one of my family members has confirmed Eliza born 1861 and died 1936 via information from other family members and she has also confirmed the correct birth as 1890 for Eliza's daughter Eliza Norris who married Thomas EJ Cockle as being 1890{I also can't get a record of that birth certificate either as the National Records Office has no record of a birth for her}

[Ladyhawk]

unfortunately no I tried the National Records Office to get hold of Eliza Eddy's birth record and they told me they have no record of an Eliza being born in 1961 but one of my family members has confirmed Eliza born 1861 and died 1936

via information from other family members and she has also confirmed the correct birth as 1890 for Eliza's daughter Eliza Norris who married Thomas EJ Cockle as being 1890{I also can't get a record of that birth certificate either as the National Records Office has no record of a birth for her}

There's this birth entry on GRO indexes

Eliza NORRIS    mmn EDDY 
GRO Reference: 1890  S Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 05C  Page 663

Edit to add this appears to be the only birth 1861

Eliza EDDY    mmn CHAPPLE 
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 65

The above birth entry Mar Qtr. would tie in with the baptism 3 Feb 1861 previously posted
Eliza's father Albert mother Sarah Hannah

Edit to add baptism of Eliza which ties in with 1890 Sept Qtr. birth entry from GRO indexes

Eliza NORRIS
Baptism 8 Aug 1890 Bedminster, St John, Bristol,
Father:   Alfred John, collier Mother: Eliza abode 5 North Street
and the death of Eliza Cockle gives her dob 22 Jul 1890