trying to trace the mother of Eliza Eddy 1861 - 1936

[SummerCrush]

4x deaths registered in Bristol for an Albert Eddy

1st: Albert E Eddy born 1886 and died 1945 {he married Emily Cottle}

2nd: Albert E Eddy born 1903 and died 1922{died aged 19}

3rd: Albert Henry Eddy born 12th March 1923 and died 1981{married in Kingsbridge, Devon in 1954 to Margaret M Spooner}

4th: Albert George Eddy {no birth year on the record} but his death date on said record is 8th January 2015.{married Jennifer Blight 1970 in Portsmouth but marriage registered twice as Jennifer Blight and Jennifer Eddy}

also ordered two birth certificates for an Eliza Eddy with the parents of Thomas Eddy and Sarah Hannah Chapple and also one for an Eliza Eddy with the parents of Albert Eddy and Sarah Hannah Chapple with both Eliza born in Bristol in 1861 and I've had a refund as the General Records Office can't find a birth certificate for either name.

[heywood]

As mentioned a few times previously. There is this birth.

Free BMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

1861 March quarter Clifton vol 6a pg 65

From Find My Past:

Eliza Eddy born Jan-Mar 1861, mother's maiden name is Chapple; Registration District is Clifton.

Clifton was a separate Registration District between 1837 and 1877.

Also from Find My Past:

Eliza Eddy bapt. 3 Feb 1861, St Peter's, Clifton Wood- Father is  Albert, Mother is Sarah Hannah

djm297

[heywood]

I am hesitant to post these records for the birth and death as they have been mentioned earlier but as I explained earlier, we are all, I am sure trying to be of assistance. I hope you accept that.

The death that seems more relevant is from Free BMD

1877 Bristol December quarter vol 6a pg 3

Thomas Eddy

[SummerCrush]

there is also a death record for an Albert Eddy born 1823 and died 1882 in Ashburton, Devon.{he did marry but they had no children}

[SummerCrush]

As mentioned a few times previously. There is this birth.

Free BMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

1861 March quarter Clifton vol 6a pg 65

From Find My Past: Eliza Eddy born Jan-Mar 1861, mother's maiden name is Chapple; Registration District is Clifton. Clifton was a separate Registration District between 1837 and 1877.
Also from Find My Past:Eliza Eddy bapt. 3 Feb 1861, St Peter's, Clifton Wood- Father is  Albert, Mother is Sarah Hannah. djm297

I know about the birth record as I already had it, but The General Records Office still can't find a Birth Certificate for an Eliza Eddy born to Thomas Eddy or Sarah Hannah Chapple in Bristol{where it states Eliza was born} or a Eliza Eddy born to parents Albert Eddy and Sarah Hannah Chapple despite birth record being online.

[heywood]

My thoughts are that they were looking in Bristol registration district rather than Clifton registration district.

If you have given the right district, Clifton , plus the quarter, volume and page, then may be for some reason it isn’t there.

If, however, you are asking for a look up for Bristol, then it won’t be there as it is the wrong district.

It is only the census etc which says she was born in Bristol.

[Ladyhawk]

As mentioned a few times previously. There is this birth.

Free BMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

1861 March quarter Clifton vol 6a pg 65

From Find My Past: Eliza Eddy born Jan-Mar 1861, mother's maiden name is Chapple; Registration District is Clifton. Clifton was a separate Registration District between 1837 and 1877.

Also from Find My Past:Eliza Eddy bapt. 3 Feb 1861, St Peter's, Clifton Wood- Father is  Albert, Mother is Sarah Hannah. djm297

I know about the birth record as I already had it, but

The General Records Office still can't find a Birth Certificate for an Eliza Eddy born to Thomas Eddy or Sarah Hannah Chapple in Bristol{where it states Eliza was born} or a Eliza Eddy born to parents Albert Eddy and Sarah Hannah Chapple despite birth record being online.

I don't think you are going to find a birth certificate with her father's name Thomas - all the information posted points to her father being Albert even though the name Thomas was named as father on the marriage certificate

Did you order a pdf copy via GRO indexes of the 1861 Clifton birth for Eliza Eddy with mmn Chappel ?

Is it possible for you to add a small image snippet of the b/c you already have or just type up the details.

DOB
Address where born?
Who registered the birth?
The address?
Name & occupation of father?

Are you discounting all the information at reply 89 - ie Eliza Eddy born 1861 has a half sibling Henry Eddy Coleman and their mother is Sarah Hannah Chappel and they have different father's

I am hesitant to post these records for the birth and death as they have been mentioned earlier but as I explained earlier, we are all, I am sure trying to be of assistance. I hope you accept that.

The death that seems more relevant is from Free BMD

1877 Bristol December quarter vol 6a pg 3

Thomas Eddy

I agree with you Heywood as previously mentioned obtaining a pdf from GRO indexes of that death record to confirm one way of the other

[SummerCrush]

I don't think the actual baptism image for Eliza Eddy was added to the thread so I've added it and also the one for Henry & John Coleman. This doesn’t address the fact as to why Eliza Eddy father was named Thomas on her

19 May 1888 marriage to Alfred John Norris rather than Albert but one of the witnesses was Henry Coleman

14 Oct 1888 marriage Henry Eddy Coleman father Henry John Coleman
witnesses  Alfred John & Eliza NORRIS

Witnesses to marriages can be family members but relationships not stated so one could make an assumption from the 1871 census records that Eliza Eddy & Henry Eddy Coleman are half siblings both having the same mother Sarah Hannah CHAPPEL but different father's
Eliza's (Albert Eddy) & Henry Eddy Coleman (Henry John Coleman) and that Sarah Hannah Eddy had children with Henry John Coleman out of wedlock

All three births registered as COLEMAN with same mmn CHAPPLE(EL) but have the middle name EDDY  - Henry b1867, John b1873 d1873 & John b1875 d1882)

Sarah Hannah Eddy could only legally marry Henry John Coleman when her first husband had died - as previously mentioned no death found for an ALBERT Eddy only one for a THOMAS Eddy in 1877 - you would need to obtain this certificate to confirm and hopefully may contain useful information regarding the informant.

Henry Eddy Coleman and his brother John Eddy Coleman were baptised together parents Henry & Sarah Hannah Coleman (details have been posted)

Sarah Hannah Eddy did not marry Henry John Coleman until Dec 1877 maybe that's why Henry & John both have the middle name  Eddy and their surname registered as Coleman

1904 marriage Herbert John Norris (son of Alfred John & Eliza) to Lilian a witness to that marriage was Thomas Edward James COCKLE

You mentioned at the beginning of your post that Alfred & Eliza Norris daughter also named Eliza married Thomas E J Cockle

I hope this may be of some help to you 

EDIT to add - just came across this newspaper article which looks to confirm that the
John Eddy Coleman born 1875 who died 1882 is probably the son of Henry Coleman & Sarah Hannah  (nee Chappel)

Doesn’t mention any parents names - but gives an address Aldersky Lane

Western Daily Press 13 February 1882
Fatal Accident to a Boy
John Eddy Coleman (6) living 2 Aldersky Lane admitted to General Hospital suffering for serious injuries caused by falling on a stool whilst getting out of bed.........he died same day

Western Daily Press 15 February 1882
Inquest Verdict was "Accidental Death", son of a labourer living at 2 Aldersky Lane

1881 census Henry COLMAN , Sarah, Eliza 20, Henry 13, JOHN age 5 &
Robert, Rebecca & Mary Ann Chappel all lodging at Alderskey Lane

ADDED

I've have added the signatures of
Henry Eddy Coleman (Groom marriage Oct 1888) and
Henry Coleman (witness to Eliza Eddy's marriage May 1888) - to me these signatures look very similar

Thomas Edward James COCKLE Eliza Norris {born 1890 Bristol}, she had a brother called Herbert John Norris{born 17th January 1904 and died 29th December 1988 at Burnham War Memorial Hospital in Burnham-On-Sea, Somerset}.

Thomas Cockle and Eliza Norris had 1 son Donald Cockle now deceased, he married Amy B Collins{also deceased}

Donald and Amy had two children a daughter who is still living and a son who is also still living.





Herbert John Norris married Lilian Jane Andrews{born 20th September 1902 in Bristol and died 10 Jun 1980at 24 Braunton Road, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

[heywood]

You have obviously researched the family a lot and accumulated many records. (I think I said that in your other thread  )

Have you found the Clifton record to apply for the photocopy on GRO?

Do you think you might be persuaded re Thomas Eddy. His death might confirm or deny that he could be Albert. It would depend on the knowledge of the informant though, I suppose.