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Re: Limited info.
« Reply #9 on: Friday 12 August 22 19:19 BST (UK) »
well yes, I was always led to believe that William did indeed come from Ireland. But now I know different and that his father, my gg grandfather James Christopher, came from Ireland. Sorry.
I have extensive knowledge of my Welsh and English background and thought it was time to try and find out about my Irish background. There aren't any family around now to help me and when I asked in the past people were only vague and knew very little themselves.
So yes sorry again if I misled anyone. I was also told in my youth that I was related to Captain Cook through the Cook side of my family. I always took great pride in bragging this point in school. It was only very much later in my life that I discovered he had no direct descendants!
I will follow the advice above, many thanks, and any more info you could share about James I would be very grateful.

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 13 August 22 20:14 BST (UK) »
I haven’t found them yet and was hoping you had a bit more info. I’ll have another look.
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 August 22 20:34 BST (UK) »
GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

1875 September quarter West Derby
William Richard Clark with mother’s name Welsh.

There is a birth for Andrew Alfred Clark in 1878 mmn Welsh
(Maybe a death in 1880)

I can’t yet see a likely one with father James in censuses
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 13 August 22 20:51 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage in 1876, Liverpool
James Christopher Clark, widower,  and Eliza Price, spinster.
He is a Mariner so that fits.
I can’t find any births though nor can I see them in censuses.
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 13 August 22 22:28 BST (UK) »
This info fits in with notes I made many years ago. I came across Eliza but didn't know her maiden name. And that James was a mariner. In my notes I also have that William was a seaman too.
And this all stems from my grandmother Susannah Clark b1909 who was the daughter of William and Annie Clark. maiden name Cook. (which made me related to the famous Captain James Cook, NOT!)
The maiden name Welsh hasn't cropped up before. So should I assume now that James arrived from Ireland and married Eliza Price? Was she English then I wonder?

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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 13 August 22 22:51 BST (UK) »
With regard to J C Clark, on his marriage he is living in Parliament St and his father is James Clark, Land Surveyor.
Eliza is living in Brook Street. Her father is Patrick, a Farmer.

I can’t see them in censuses though.
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« Reply #15 on: Sunday 14 August 22 01:08 BST (UK) »
I can find some records that might fit, but this person comes from Scotland, not Ireland. So I have no idea if I'm onto the right track or not.  :-\ ???

So we have James Christopher Clarke, listed as seaman, deceased, on his sons marriage banns in 1897, in Liverpool.

In 1891, there is a James Clarke, Marine Engineer, living in Litherland, West Derby, a wife called Elizabeth and daughter and a bunch of children, some born in Liverpool, including a William who is 12 years old.

ED, Institution or Vessel   3
Neighbors   View others on page
Piece   2984
Folio   70

In 1881 he seems to be at sea, there is a census record for Scotland to that effect.

County   Ships In European Ports
Address   Bh Queen 1540 Glasgow
Occupation   1st Engineer
ED   BL Queen
Household schedule number   456a
Line   20
Roll   cssct1881_338

In 1871 he seems to be at home. A steamship engineer.

Registration district   West Derby
Sub-registration district   Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel   96
Household schedule number   171
Piece   3825
Folio   88
Page number   29

I haven't found him so far in 1861.

In 1851, he seems to be living with his mother in Scotland.

ED   20
Page   19
Household schedule number   79
Line   6
Roll   CSSCT1851_57

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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 14 August 22 01:20 BST (UK) »
I think he had two wives.

Second wife is Elizabeth Price.

I think his first wife was also an Elizabeth or Eliza and that he must have married her around 1869, which is when the first child I can find for them is recorded.
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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 14 August 22 05:02 BST (UK) »
I can find some records that might fit, but this person comes from Scotland, not Ireland. So I have no idea if I'm onto the right track or not.  :-\ ???

I think that couple are James CLARKE and Elizabeth SIMPSON who married in Edinburgh in 1867.

In 1871 they are in West Derby with two daughters.

Elizabeth Jane CLARKE b. 1868 Edinburgh
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQS6-GYP

CLARK, ANN
Mother's maiden surname: SIMPSON
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 417

In 1881 still in West Derby with three more children.

CLARK, MARGARET
Mother's maiden surname: SIMPSON     
GRO Reference: 1876  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 457

CLARK, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: SIMPSON
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 435     

CLARK, EDITH
Mother's maiden surname: SIMPSON     
GRO Reference: 1880  D Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 35

James Christopher CLARKE and Eliza PRICE are a different couple.

Debra  :)