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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #18 on: Monday 05 September 22 02:32 BST (UK) »
I’m not sure what you mean by BMD?  It wasn’t listed in the Rootschat abbreviation list.  I will try to work out how to post the items you request.

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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #19 on: Monday 05 September 22 02:36 BST (UK) »
BMDs = Births, Marriages & Deaths

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #20 on: Monday 05 September 22 02:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Rosineath for the BMD explanation.  I thought I had already provided all that in my original post starting this thread.  If people want to see all the documents that I have, could they look at my family tree on Ancestry?  I just made it public again, but changed the name to “caveat emptor White Family Tree”.  I have copy of Henry and Louise Hettinger’s marriage documentation as her profile picture.  Does that help?  Or should I rewrite all the info in my op?



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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #21 on: Monday 05 September 22 03:09 BST (UK) »
What I was asking was, the info. on all docs. which you think relate to your Henry...

As an example, the FAG link you posted doesn't give his middle name or initial, ditto with the link I posted, no middle name or initial i.e. all info. is important & do you know what his middle initial 'E' stands for?

There's no info. from you regarding his occ. on all Baptisms, BMDs or census' or any other info. found.

It would be an idea to post a link to your tree, you could use the 'ShrinkLink' at the bottom of the page.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"


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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #22 on: Monday 05 September 22 04:21 BST (UK) »
Henry E Brown was born in 1852 to parents John George Brown and Mary Miller.  Henry had two sisters, along with two brothers:  John M and George W.  I do not have Henry’s birth certificate, but his birth date Jan 25 1852 is listed upon his 1927 death certificate from Eaton County, Michigan.  I do have a copy of that.

Henry’s brother John M married a neighbor: Clarissa Disher in 1867.  Henry’s brother George W married Susan Katharina Disher in 1869.  Susan and Clarissa were first cousins once removed. 

Henry married Rosa Katharina Disher in 1873, three months before their first child (a daughter) was born.
Both Rosa and her sister in law Susan Katharina Disher (they were also sisters) were born in Switzerland and arrived in the US in 1861.  The arrival in 1861 is mentioned on both the 1900 and 1920 Federal Census,  I have Rosa’s baptismal record from Switzerland and also her marriage record to Henry.  Both Rosa and Henry are recorded on several of their children’s birth and even marriage records.

Henry and Rosa lived in Providence Township, Lucas County, Ohio from their marriage in1973 until sometime between the 1890 and 1900 Federal Census; when Henry moved Rosa and the children to Hoaglin, Van Wert County, Ohio.  And he moved them again, sometime between the 1910 and the 1920 census to Charlotte, Eaton County, Michigan.  His death certificate from Charlotte, Eaton County, Michigan states he died August 2 1927.  Thru lines on ancestry.com show that the son of Henry and Rosa:  Allen L Brown was my half great uncle and the half sibling of my great grandmother Minnie M Brown.  Allen’s grandaughter shows up as my half second cousin, once removed.  We have spoken.

My great grandmother Minnie M Brown, mentioned just above, was born out of wedlock on Oct 10 1874.  Her mother, Louise Hettinger, had only just turned sixteen the month before.  So, Louise was fifteen when she became pregnant.  Thru Lines shows that her father was Henry E Brown and her mother was Louise Hettinger.  Henry and Louise didn’t marry until June 1876 when Minnie was 20 months old.  I have a copy of the ledger page which records their marriage. (Ohio, U.S., County Marriage Records, 1774-1993)

Henry and Louise went on to have three more children during what I believe was their bigamous marriage.  I have several birth records and marriage records for them showing Louise and Henry as parents.
 
For the 1900 Federal Census - the only one which found Henry at BOTH family homes - he gave his dob as January 1852 to the census taker in Van Wert, Ohio where he lived with Rosa.  In Providence Township at his home with Louisa, the dob was November 1852.


Then, I have a death recorded at Toledo State Hospital (formerly the Toledo Asylum for the Insane).  It shows that Henry E Brown, age 48, died on August 25, 1901.  If Henry was born in November 1852, then he would be 48 then.  I believe the cause of death was a heart attack.

The Henry E Brown who died at the insane asylum was buried at Mount Pleasant Cemetery in Neapolis, Lucas County, Ohio.  Years later in 1928, his wife Louise was buried there - at least according to the list of tombstone transcriptions recorded by the Northwester Geneological Society - Cemetery Project Committee.
And in that same cemetery are buried his brothers John and George.  One of them married to Rosa Disher’s first cousin once removed and one married to Rosa’s sister.

I hope that this is the type of timeline that you were looking for?

I was under the impression that rootschat considered parish registers to be solid sources of information.  So I thought my list of tombstone transcriptions made it more likely than not that they were buried in Mt. Pleasant, since his brothers and their wives are buried there according to Find A Grave?







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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #23 on: Monday 05 September 22 04:24 BST (UK) »
P.S.  His occupation was Farmer, as were his father and brothers.  The only census which was different was in 1880, with Louise in Milbury, Wood County, Ohio where his occupation was “works in woods”.

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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #24 on: Monday 05 September 22 04:29 BST (UK) »
Annie, the only url I see when I’m at ancestry.com is…..ancestry.com in the url spot.  I can follow instructions fairly well.  If you tell me how to drag relevant portions of my tree over here for all to see, I will strive mightily to do so.

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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #25 on: Monday 05 September 22 05:02 BST (UK) »
"I hope that this is the type of timeline that you were looking for?"

Not quite as it reads like a novel rather than a timeline i.e. difficult to see at a glance what happened when, where & with whom.
There's info. missing which can only be found on actual certs. rather than indexes such as sponsors, witnesses, addresses or other.

I don't know what info. would be on those marriages i.e. what info. is given on both marriages which make you believe they're both your Henry?

"Henry and Louise didn’t marry until June 1876  I have a copy of the ledger page which records their marriage. (Ohio, U.S., County Marriage Records, 1774-1993)"

Does the above give age, occupation, parents, witnesses, addresses...

There's something not right somewhere, the same man can't have died in 2 different places at 2 different times & you need to get more proof of what's happened.

You need both marriage certificates, both death certificates to see who were the informants, addresses or anything else which gives clues.

Annie


South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: I think my 2nd great grandfather was a bigamist
« Reply #26 on: Monday 05 September 22 05:10 BST (UK) »
I have been reading this with great interest but no great insight. Just one question. Who are the Henry E Brown age 19 and Elva Brown 18 living at Swanton, Lucas Ohio in the 1870 census. They are with a William 56, and mary Naylor 35. Also there is a Richard Dale 67?

I see that your Henry age 18 is with his parents in 1870 Providence, Lucas, Ohio but without the middle initial E to his name